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i had thought of the concept as well, but there isn't much room to do it. plus you would only see any gains in high speed situations.




it'd be more logical to attempt to come up with a turbo setup since they are the most efficent, but it would cost alot more.
 

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I think a ram-air setup should be categorized with mods like CAIs and exhaust mods, it seems so easy, but you'd probably have to move the battery.
 

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ram air is worthless. Space is not soo much an issue as that it does nothing (fractions of a hp diffrence). Thus, that is why there are not more ram air cars. Gm did it as a marketing thing.

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it seems like it should work though, almost lie a fake force induction.
 

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Originally posted by spy2520@Aug 5 2004, 09:54 PM
it seems like it should work though, almost lie a fake force induction.
None of these "normal" vehicles can really take full advantage of it. If we were doing alot of high speed driving... like over top speed in a gen 3 sho... then we'd prolly have a few extra horses... but for normal driving... its really not going to do anything other than make you nervous in the rain.
 

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Essentially worthless. The engine can induct more air under it's own intake stroke than the car can at highway speeds with a forward facing scoop. It just looks cool, kind of like cowl induction on the SS Chevelles.
 

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Originally posted by TrueBlue@Mar 29 2005, 10:14 AM
Essentially worthless. The engine can induct more air under it's own intake stroke than the car can at highway speeds with a forward facing scoop. It just looks cool, kind of like cowl induction on the SS Chevelles.
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I think someone did the calculations somewhere on the old boards, and ram air does the equivalent of 0.5 psi at 60 mph. You can get better gains than that with the E-RAM LOL.

Plus, the hood scoop would suck in leaves, bugs, water etc. Unless you ran it through a filter which would slow the air down and negate the effect of ram air anyway. Besides, the Taurus doesn't seem like the kind of car that does the hood scoop very well.

Cold air intake in the fender well still seems the best way.
 

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Ram Air = Pontiac marketing ploy.

I'm sorry, but that's ALL it is, unless you are talking about aircraft traveling at 300mph+.
 

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Why is the new 5.7 V-8 Chrysler motor called a HEMI? It's not even a true hemi-spherical motor. It's a marketing ploy, just like the Ram Air. The real Ram Airs are the systems used on fighter jets and missles.
 

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Originally posted by SixFoFalcon@Mar 29 2005, 12:35 PM
Ram Air = Pontiac marketing ploy.
The ram air on the grand am is a marketing ploy, but the one on the trans am and older muscle cars it worked. :)
 

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Originally posted by RocketFast321+Mar 29 2005, 03:37 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RocketFast321 @ Mar 29 2005, 03:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SixFoFalcon@Mar 29 2005, 12:35 PM
Ram Air = Pontiac marketing ploy.
The ram air on the grand am is a marketing ploy, but the one on the trans am and older muscle cars it worked. :) [/b][/quote]
You have been victimized by GM's marketing program. Don't feel too badly, you are not alone. :p

On the NASCAR circuit Ram Air might make a difference, but not on any street car. And even at NASCAR speeds, it's doing about 1% of what it does on its original intended application--aircraft.
 

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Originally posted by SixFoFalcon+Mar 29 2005, 05:32 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SixFoFalcon @ Mar 29 2005, 05:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 03:37 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-SixFoFalcon
@Mar 29 2005, 12:35 PM
Ram Air = Pontiac marketing ploy.

The ram air on the grand am is a marketing ploy, but the one on the trans am and older muscle cars it worked. :)
You have been victimized by GM's marketing program. Don't feel too badly, you are not alone. :p

On the NASCAR circuit Ram Air might make a difference, but not on any street car. And even at NASCAR speeds, it's doing about 1% of what it does on its original intended application--aircraft. [/b][/quote]
I think he just means that there was actual ducting leading to the carb, and there was a vacuum canister that opened a flap, aka, "functional."
 

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agree

Ram air on a 99+ grand am GT
http://flathat.woodstream.net/ColumbusRacing/Dougs%20pics/DCP00629.JPG' alt='' width='432' height='324' class='attach' />[/url]
[quote][b]grandamgt.com
Factory System
...gimmick factor 9.5
...performance factor 3.5 (at 55MPH)
...performance factor 1.0 (accelerating)
...performance factor 0.0 to -1 (idling)
...cost zilch
...HP gain=-- HP
...scare factor 0.23467 "What if a bird gets in there?!!!"
...realistic threat 0.1212 "Naah, its stock, it can't flow that much."
-"Pontiac made this as a marketing gimmcik, the duct by the washer fluid bottle doesn't even draw cold air!!!* It just travels back into itself and is sealed. The only airflow is thru the over the radiator duct... hmph!"


Warm Air Intake, Airbox Cone Filter
...gimmick factor 3.56
...performance factor 5.0 (at 55MPH)
...performance factor 3.0 (accelerating)
...performance factor 1.0 to 0 (idling)
...cost $40-50 for a cone filter K&N
...HP gain=2-2.5 HP
...scare factor 1.2453 "Oh now I am flowing more air! But is it too hot???!!!"
...realistic threat 0.13344 Iceman's Autotap, showed "... Tonyyank's WAI was exposed to 50 degree warmer air, over Iceman's fenderwell CAI."

Warm Air Intake, Airbox Cone Filter WITH Ramair Hood
As said, you need the hood scoops to be way above the hood line. The scoops need to be carving airflow from the laminar airflow over the hood. To do this the hood scoops need to rise at least 2.5 inches from the flat surfce of the hood. This has been taken from many sources, I have seen it over and over in Car and Craft, and you can dig it up reading online. Bottom line, not much is to be gained from the ramair hoods on the market today. Consider them mostly cosmetic, and heat extractors as well as weight savers. An active scoop would look tacky, the most ideal raimair hoods are the WS6 style, they rise very HIGH. But they stand to give excellent gains since the WS6 motor has the TB right up front in the engine bay.

Cold Air Intake, Civic Short Ram Intake, Fenderwell Intake
...gimmick factor 2.0 (2 points for Ricebox origins)
...performance factor 9.0 (at 55MPH)
...performance factor 9.0 (accelerating)
...performance factor 9.0 (idling)
...cost around $100-150, depending on systems.
...HP gain=4 HP, a lot more with more mods... the best matching intake mod for making power with other mdos, and even enhancing economy.
...scare factor 2.2453 "My wife won't like this sound!!!" "What is that whistling noise???!!!" "My car sounds moe like a V8!!! Nooooooo!!!!"
...realistic threat 0.17855 "The filter gets wet! What if some drops get in my motor???" - The motor likes to be cooled, a finite amount of water is VERY good for cooling the motor. Jaketuff sucks a hell of a lot of air thru the CAI with his SC, rain or shine, and has had NO water problems. Although his filter has been filthy, it has not malfunctioned AT ALL, in 30,000 miles of use.
Iceman's Autotap showed the clear gains of the CAI over the WAI, and over the stock system. These gains make this mod the best mod have the best HP:cost:install difficulty ratio out there for the car.
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Originally posted by SixFoFalcon+Mar 29 2005, 03:32 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SixFoFalcon @ Mar 29 2005, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 03:37 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-SixFoFalcon
@Mar 29 2005, 12:35 PM
Ram Air = Pontiac marketing ploy.

The ram air on the grand am is a marketing ploy, but the one on the trans am and older muscle cars it worked. :)
You have been victimized by GM's marketing program. Don't feel too badly, you are not alone. :p

On the NASCAR circuit Ram Air might make a difference, but not on any street car. And even at NASCAR speeds, it's doing about 1% of what it does on its original intended application--aircraft. [/b][/quote]
Falcon nailed it correctly, ram air is intended for air craft, not for cars, for cars it's just a marketing ploy as was stated above.
 
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