Tranny In 93 Taurus

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fscguy

Discussion Starter · Apr 5, 2004

I was in a parking spot...put the car in reverse it wouldn't move...turned it off and back on got it to backup put my foot on brake to shift into drive and then let of and no forward movement. Ford looked at it and said there was metal in the fluid in the pan and i would need a whole new tranny. any ideas on what it might be?

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aelfmaer

· #2 · Apr 5, 2004

Yours sounds more serious than this, but the gear shift on my (auto) 93 doesn't always click in place just right, and then I hit the gas and rev my engine. The car won't move, but when I adjust the gear shift and get it into place, it's fine.

I'll bet this really annoys the people who get stuck behind me when I back into the street from my parking lot (it's also really hard to see), and just sit there for a second (snicker)

fscguy

Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 5, 2004

i tried hitting the gas and it didn't work...it just reved

TrueBlue

· #4 · Apr 5, 2004

How's the fluid level? Any leaks? Check the pan itself for the leaks, it may not leak until it's under pressure from acceleration.

fscguy

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 5, 2004

when the dealership removed the pan they said it had metal in the fluid. does anyone know anything about the warranty or whatever on the foward clutch pistion...or would that not be my problem

diesel600

· #6 · Apr 5, 2004

Warranty, heh. What warranty, the car is 11 years old. Unless of course you've had the tranny rebuilt before and have a warranty on that. Unfortunately there was never any recall for the forward clutch if that's what you mean.

93taurusSX

· #7 · Apr 6, 2004

There was a recall for the aluminum piston used on Gen2 trannies that caused premature failure of the transmission. However, this applied only to 94-95 Tauruses with less than 100k miles. Sorry, I'm in the same boat as you are

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silverknight

· #8 · Apr 6, 2004

Originally posted by 93taurusSX@Apr 5 2004, 08:01 PM
There was a recall for the aluminum piston used on Gen2 trannies that caused premature failure of the transmission. However, this applied only to 94-95 Tauruses with less than 100k miles. Sorry, I'm in the same boat as you are

how do i get info on this recall? my 95 has less than 100k and i just want some extra reassurance

mrclean

· #9 · Apr 6, 2004

Would this have anything to do with the 1-2 shift piston, or is it a different one altogether.

93taurusSX

· #10 · Apr 6, 2004

Whoops, looks like I made a mistake guys...the 94-95 recall I was thinking off was for the HEADGASKET for the 3.8l... But Ford DID have issues with the aluminum clutch piston, especially in the '91 models.

More info:

http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=100&did=564
http://www.complaints.com/april2001/compla...ay.april4.1.htm
http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=84&scid=51

fscguy

Discussion Starter · #11 · Apr 6, 2004

here is where i got the info on the warranty i was talking about http://www.lemonaidcars.com/secret_warranties.htm

any ideas on how i can get more info on it though. I also know there have been tsb's for the a/t in my car. i looked on alldata.com

fscguy

Discussion Starter · #12 · Apr 6, 2004

i have an update to my problem...the tranny shop said the planetary gears were the problem which i have read about on the net where they didn't get enough fluid.

impatient95

· #13 · Apr 6, 2004

if the gears are bad, they are completely destroyed.
this trans will need a rebuild for sure.

when you have them take apart your trans, you will see the shape of the gears, and unfortunately, there is no simple fix, the gear train is GONE!

BTW, if you pull the pan and there are large chunks of metal, THAT is what is left of the gears' teeth.
tiny metal shavings are normal, big chunks are NOT.

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RWeaver

· #14 · Apr 7, 2004

That aluminum piston had a problem with cracking, causing a loss of pressure the replacement steel piston (in '92 ~ later I think) solved that.

The early axod(e) planets didn't get enough lube. The mod was a set of "corss-over tubes". A larger tube that sent fluid to the speedo gear was redirected to feed the planets and the smaller tube feeding the planets was redirected to the speedo gear. The tubes are visable under the pan. In addition to this mod, another mod was to over-fill by exactly 1-qt to raise the fluid level on the planets. Both mods were for the AXOD/AXODE.

In the AXOD, there were severial other updates/fixes for "Premature Planetary Failure". Drilling the torque converter fill hole in the valve body spacer plate out to .062" (1/16 inch), triming the rear lube check level spring (in the valve body) a specific amount, checking the rear planetary support bushing ('87 & older) for out-of-position blocking the lube hole in the support, a rear lube tube seal problem dealing with flexability of the seal at the planetary support, and ensuring the "double bushings" at the rear of the sun gear do not block the lube hole in the sun gear.

How's That !!! But there's lot's of other mods and updates for tons of other issues dealing with shifting delays, goofy operation, etc.

It's really just a bunch of noise to most folks

Bottom line---Need a rebuild. There are only two kinds of AXOD/AXODE Transmissions; the one that was rebuilt, and the one that needs to be rebuilt.

Just find someone who knows what their doing and knows the AXOD(E) type transmissions. Many rebuilders just clean 'em out, replace parts, and put it back together the exact same way it came apart. Not so for the AXOD(E)'s, these things all need updates and modifications - period!

Good luck.

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impatient95

· #15 · Apr 7, 2004

RWeaver, the AX4n, how many updates are critical on those?

I have rebuilt maybe a few, but couldn't remember much about the mods to save my life.

And to any - if you are taking an older taurus for a tranny rebuild, ask the shop if they do the updates for the tranny...
He is right, they DO need those updates.

As far as bringing the fluid level up to the planets, it sounds like a good idea, but would that not "whip up" the fluid to cause a bunch of air bubbbles in the fluid and hence cause problems?

RWeaver

· #16 · Apr 8, 2004

I don't really know... I've got a set of manuals (rebuild and update) from ATSG on the AXOD/AXODE. These trannys, along with the AX4N & AX4S are a major can of worms for anyone -- even the rebuilders that do it all the time. Just to give you an idea look at the .pdf doc at:

transindusrties.com By Mike Riley, Technical Director.

If you're gonna do the rebuild yourself, do some serious homework: get the rebuild and update manuals (I recommend bulkparts.com) to go along with your REAL "FORD Servicse Manuals", not the cheap Haynes and other parts store books.

I bought the manuals just so I could [correctly ???] interview and select a rebuilder when I had my '92 rebuilt. That was two years ago. Now, I'm just itching to pull it out again and [this time] rebuild it myself. Only problem is... It's running fine so that idea doesn't go over to well with the wife!!!

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RWeaver

· #17 · Apr 8, 2004

One more doc on the AX4N / AX4S Final drive....

AX4N / AX4S Final Drive Doc

fscguy

Discussion Starter · #18 · Apr 9, 2004

i got the tranny rebuilt and a cooler installed. he charged 1195 for the rebuild and 90 for the cooler that was including labor.

fscguy

Discussion Starter · #19 · Apr 12, 2004

here is a picture of the tranny cooler that the tranny shop installed when i got my tranny rebuilt. does it look like a decent one?

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