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A 1996, maroon, SHO, with an oil leak that will be fixed before sale, and a bonded title. Don't know the miles because i just forgot to ask, 1500 to 1800 bucks. The guy runs a shop in Acworth Georgia, and said the original owners abandoned the car when they found out how much it would cost. He can wait for tax season, or will accept my 97' lx as a trade. Body is in almost perfect shape, small dents that look like hail damage but i only saw two of them, some paint flake on rear bumper, otherwise very nice looking. I don't know how long it's been sitting but i've been seeing it for at least a couple months. What do you guys think? Any more specific questions to ask or did I cover most of them with the exception of the mileage?
 

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Well, assume it isn't welded, first of all. Factor at least $1000 extra into the cost to get the cams welded. Assume the transmission is beat up and is original, and factor the cost of a possible rebuild in, sometime down the line.

I can't really give you a good answer as to what is fair value for it, because I don't know the miles, but I wouldn't pay anything over $2K for it, unless it was an enthusiast owned vehicle and the cams are welded.

You're in Georgia, huh? Get in contact with Doug Lewis from Ford Performance Specialists and see if you can pay him to take a look at the car before you buy it. He'll know what to look for, and he'll be able to do the cam weld. Don't even think about buying it unless you're willing to spend the money on the cam weld, or else you'll end up with an expensive paperweight in your backyard.

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I've wondered about the cam welding, i hear about it a lot but i've never seen a picture of it. Also what exactly does it do, and why is it needed? I've looked at the posts about class actions against ford about the cams in SHO's but i still don't understand. Please enlighten me, I have a thirst for knowledge especially about the Bulls. I thought about going back there today because i stopped to ask about it on the way home from work this morning, and i'll be sure to ask all these questions and i'll take my phone so i can get some pics. also i noticed it does NOT have V-8 badges on the fenders... ?
 

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When Ford manufactured the cams, to save money, they swedged the cam sprockets onto the cams themselves, which basically means that they used a compression fit instead of a weld.

In almost ALL cases, at some point in time, the cam sprocket will spin off the cam, and because of the fact that the V8 SHO motor is an interference motor (which means that when a piston is at the top of the cylinder and the valves are down, the piston can contact the valves), when the cam stops spinning, and the valves get out of sync and drop into the combustion chamber unabated, the piston hits the valves, and fiery death for the engine ensues.

Now, cam repairs are done in one of two ways:

1 - The sprocket is pinned to the cam by drilling a hole through the sprocket and cam, and inserting a metal dowel;

2 - The sprocket is welded to the cam.

These repairs can not be done after the cam has failed, without major engine work, ie, new pistons, con-rods, cylinder honing/sleeving, heads, valves, cams, etc.

The cam weld itself costs about $700 from NESho or FPS. In addition to the cam weld, you typically get your coils rotated front to rear, the intake manifolds are cleaned, and you get new intake manifold and valve cover gaskets. You can have the welder do additional work on the car as well.

So, if you're seriously thinking about buying this car, you better be seriously thinking about scheduling a cam weld the day you pick it up. Yeah, I might make it seem like it's a dire thing, but you have to realize that it can happen at any time. It's happened as early as 40K miles, and as late as 200K.

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Would it be worth the risk to buy it, or trade him my car, drive it until tax season and then modify the cams? And is it possible to get welded cams out of another car and put them in mine to save money? And would anyone have said pieces available? BTW: sohc or dohc which is it?

P.S.: I'm just learning about sho's
 

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OOkk my plan was not to drive it hard,... as much as it would pain me :( :( It's looking like i'll have me an SHO I don't know if the wife is convinced but she loves our taurus now so i'm sure she'll love this one. After i eat i'm goin back there to get some pics and ask some questions. I did leave him my name and number, and he said after he gets a new title, he'll contact me.
 

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OOkk my plan was not to drive it hard,... as much as it would pain me :( :( It's looking like i'll have me an SHO I don't know if the wife is convinced but she loves our taurus now so i'm sure she'll love this one. After i eat i'm goin back there to get some pics and ask some questions. I did leave him my name and number, and he said after he gets a new title, he'll contact me.
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Driving it hard or soft is a major risk. I wouldn't risk it.
 

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Cams have been known to fail with the car just sitting at idle. It's your call, but remember that every time you start the car with the cams not welded you're taking a risk.


It's a 32V DOHC 3.4L all-aluminum V8.
 

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Cams have been known to fail with the car just sitting at idle. It's your call, but remember that every time you start the car with the cams not welded you're taking a risk.


It's a 32V DOHC 3.4L all-aluminum V8.
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dam i thought that it was mostly from reving high
 

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Nope, like I said earlier, they can fail at any time, and with zero warning.

You can get welded cams, if, for instance, someone wrecked their car with a good engine, but you're not going to save any money. Additionally, if you have one of the known cam welders do it, you're getting expert service from a well respected person. All the labor is included in the cost, so yeah, it's quite a bit of money, but it's worth it when a new engine for that car really doesn't exist, and if you happen to find a crate motor on ebay, it could fetch anywhere from $1000 - $5000+. Rebuilt motors from NESho cost $3000 or so.

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I went back at around 4pm and took some pictures which i'll include in this post. The guy said he thinks that it's just under 80000 miles, but he wasn't sure, and to come back monday when the receptionist could get the keys for me. It was raining a little and kinda dark so the car looks a little orange, no word on the cams, or tranny, and the oil leak needs to be fixed before running it. Here are the pics:
 

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is that a toreador red with odd camera coloring or is that thing painted?

if its been painted

find out what color thats been painted for me....mmmmkay thanks

or im just colorblind(legally a little bit!)
 

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i took that with a camera phone in bad light it's like a maroon color not orange ee ish...
 

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Unless you are either mechanically inclined or know a good honest mechanic, and have an extra $2000 to throw at the car to make sure it's safe and road worthy, I wouldn't buy it.

If you do buy it, have the cams welded immediately. Don't put it off. They WILL fail at anytime without warning. Check the transmission for proper shifting and make sure the fluid isn't cooked. You probably shouldn't offer any more than $1000 for that car, as it's a ticking time bomb.
 

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Unless you are either mechanically inclined or know a good honest mechanic, and have an extra $2000 to throw at the car to make sure it's safe and road worthy, I wouldn't buy it.

If you do buy it, have the cams welded immediately. Don't put it off. They WILL fail at anytime without warning. Check the transmission for proper shifting and make sure the fluid isn't cooked. You probably shouldn't offer any more than $1000 for that car, as it's a ticking time bomb.
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Agreed.

Personally Most I would pay would be 800. or less. To me it looks like the owner didn't take care of it.

Save some cash for the cam weld.

And I wouldn't dare drive it home. :noes: I'd trailer it to a mechanic asap :eek:
 

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Well i went down to go see if i can get in the taurus to verify the miles on the odometer and get the vin and all that good stuff, but unfortunately, the receptionist who has the keys in her office has the flu, and the office is locked. So i can't get in the car, so i told him that it was recommended that i not pay more than 1000 for it, and he said, "I have about 1600 in the car already because it came to me in pieces, and i had to figure out how to put it all back together, so i can't go any lower, but it runs and i'll let you start when my recep. gets here tomorrow, i'll call you." So i told him i'll see what i can do about getting the cams welded for cheaper because i want the car but i can't pay too much more than 2000 - 2500 for it. He said ok so i left, and on the way home i figured with taxes and registration, insurance and cam repair, i don't think i can do it, but i'm still going to look around. A co-worker of mine is a great welder, and offered to weld them for me, but I don't think he knows which part to weld. Should i give up on this one and bite the bullet and actually finance a car? I've never been a fan of it because of the whole repo thing if you f___ up, and i don't have very good credit. It's kinda why i pay for everything with cash.
 
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