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Okay so I've been thinking a lot about this lately. A lot of us want to see ROTB up running again, but CLEARLY it's current function is not working for the club. Given the volume of members, and that we are spread out over all over the US and Canada and that a lot of people don't like to travel far, AND we have very competent chapter presidents/vice presidents this is what I purpose:

For ROTB we pick a date/weekend where all the chapters have a meet. While it is different from ROTB's of the past, I feel like we can get more attendance. ALSO, it puts less responsibility on Jason and taps into the capable hands of the chapter presidents/vice presidents. The presidents can also customize the event for the chapter.


I know it's different, but I would like to get everyone's opinion on this? Do people think it would work?


I loved going to ROTB, but it wasn't working, and sometimes change is a good thing. :dunno:
 

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sounds good to me!! i would maybe be able to afford to make it to a meet if it were closer to home...
 

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Sounds like a good idea, but I think ROTB needs to take a chapter from the Mallinsons book on this. Various chapters that would like to host gather information and present it to Jason. He decides where it will be and it is on the hands of that chapter to do the planning, keeping Jason informed.

What you are proposing is good mike. IN fact, the Honda Shadow board I am on does something similar. They have the East Coast Rally, the West Coast Rally, etc. Each rally has it's own section of the board for planning.

I think with the way it is looking, your MASS-ive meet could easily evolve into a yearly MASS-ive ROTB
 

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I'm thinking ROTB needs to go from a National Meet, to a Nation-wide Meet.
 

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Good idea, Mike. We will definitely talk about it.

I'm seeing what I can do to free myself up to make it to the Mass-ive meet. Not sure if it will happen or not though.

Unfortunately, as much as I hate to admit it, the economy is really the driving factor in not having ROTB this year. It was quite a challenge to pull off the Convention this year as well.

The last event at Gingerman was the smallest one we've ever had and it took some major effort to pull-off.

Hopefully things are in better shape next year and we can get something going again.
 

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The only problem I see with it is that it still restricts your interaction to within your chapter, which we can do any day of the year.

I rather see a combo of what Randy said: have proposals from different chapters so you split/delegate the workload around, but also do it like the SHO Convention: go around the country with it. That way, not only does the scenery change, but you'll have people that will drive the 2500 miles and you'll have people that would come because it's really close to their home.
 

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Well I think there is a lack of attendance as it is, and if we're ever going to get attendance up at a national meet we need to build a base, which starts from strengthening our chapter attendance to meets. If we have hardly anyone show up to regular meets, how do we all of a sudden expect everyone and their sister to show up for the national meet somewhere around the country? Thats just how I see it.

EDIT: and just because you belong to a certain chapter doesn't mean you have to go to THAT event. If you want to travel, each chapter will present what their doing so people can pick which one they want to go to, while still having something for people who don't want to or can't travel far. :dunno:
 

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Now that's change I can believe in. :thumb: Great idea, and here's why:
Having decentralized chapter meets would probably boost attendance in the future, but I think the driving factor is to actively appeal to the many, many people on this board that contribute frequently as far as posting online, but need a lot more encouragement to get involved in the TCCA in the "real world"; i.e. at club meets, track events, hanging out with other members, etc. All the more reason, on that note, to reinstate the member locations map that used to be a part of the TCCA forum. Then everybody can see, plain as day, where the other members of their chapter are located and are possibly more likely to try attending club events, knowing that there are other Taurus Club people who may live nearby. It could also help chapter vice-presidents figure out the best mutually-convenient place for said chapter meets to be held by allowing them to pick a more-or-less central location relative to where the people in their chapter all live, like using GIS programs to map out suitable geographic spots for various business uses. This would be a great way to take advantage of current, easy to use technology and help the club adapt and evolve to fit circumstances that have made it almost impossible to sustain a yearly, national ROTB event.
 

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QUOTE (Brian_05_SEL @ May 30 2009, 12:54 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=728962
Now that's change I can believe in. :thumb: Great idea, and here's why:
Having decentralized chapter meets would probably boost attendance in the future, but I think the driving factor is to actively appeal to the many, many people on this board that contribute frequently as far as posting online, but need a lot more encouragement to get involved in the TCCA in the "real world"; i.e. at club meets, track events, hanging out with other members, etc. All the more reason, on that note, to reinstate the member locations map that used to be a part of the TCCA forum. Then everybody can see, plain as day, where the other members of their chapter are located and are possibly more likely to try attending club events, knowing that there are other Taurus Club people who may live nearby. It could also help chapter vice-presidents figure out the best mutually-convenient place for said chapter meets to be held by allowing them to pick a more-or-less central location relative to where the people in their chapter all live, like using GIS programs to map out suitable geographic spots for various business uses. This would be a great way to take advantage of current, easy to use technology and help the club adapt and evolve to fit circumstances that have made it almost impossible to sustain a yearly, national ROTB event.[/b]

That's what I'm talking about!!! I've seen alot of nice Taurii around my area and would like to meet some of these people or invite them to a meet.
 

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Maybe structure ROBT like the SHO Convention?

Change the location every year? Road course or drag strip racing? Dinner? etc?
 

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One thing you have to realize is that most people can't afford/have no interest in taking their Family sedan on a road course after spending money on gas and hotel. The majority of the club is younger, which plays a roll in it, and I think if we're ever going to get a "National" meet going, we need to start small.
 

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Excellent idea Mike. It's hard, even in a good economy, to pull off a successful national meet. When I was doing the ROTB's, we ended up doing Gingerman twice because that's where the demographics of the club dictated it had to be. Gingerman is cheap compared to other road courses, close to a lot of people that were willing to go, and there are a lot of other things to do in the general vicinity. It was farily easy to get a combination of TCCA and SHO people there, and make the event financially tangible.

I do, however, have another opinion (surprise, surprise! :p ).

I'm not sure what the final attendance numbers will be for the SHO Convention this year in NH, but I do know that Don Mallinson had mentioned to me a few years ago, when I still had the TCCA, that he was having a harder and harder time filling slots in the Conventions. Ownership of the SHO's was shifting from upper middle class professionals that had the money to travel to different parts of the country, to younger people who either didn't have the money or the time to go too far from home. He had mentioned to me, which seems like a great idea, the merging of the two events, ROTB and the SHO convention.

This makes sense on many levels. It would give a broader base of people that would potentially come to this event, making slots easier to fill, both from a financial standpoint, and geographical standpoint. It would take the dilemma of choosing an event away from people like me. I started my Taurus addiction here at the TCCA, and have some great friends here. I now have the SHO, and my involvement with NESHO has introduced me to many different events and more great friends. I now have the dilemma of too many events to pick from. I know I can't afford/don't have the time off to do them all. If it were one single national event between the TCCA and SHO club, this dilemma would be gone, and more people would be able to get together.

There are also many regional events, like the Carlisle All Ford show, that need a presence as well. Perhaps some chapters could look into these types of events in their areas and start making a showing at them. If you get enough people, they will make a class for you at the event. The more presence you get at events like this, the more members you will get. A lot of people don't even know there's a club for the Taurus and Sable.

I know a lot of the members here want to have their own, TCCA specific event, but if it's not working, why not join up with Don and make things happen?

On a last note, I think a combined event would be good for sharing ideas, repair hints, stuff like that. Almost ten years after I joined the TCCA, there is still a separation amongst the SHO and Taurus/Sable people. That always bugged me, because they are the same car. One is just a faster pile of poop. :) Really though, the more I get out to these events, the more I see that the separation exists because a lot of Taurus/Sable folk think the SHO folk have some sort of superior attitude because they drive an SHO. Not true, and if you guys get out to these events you'll see what I mean.
 

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QUOTE (Firespirit @ Jun 10 2009, 09:16 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=731360
I had already mentioned that, Bob... About 1 or 2 years back... I keep getting shot down so I finally stopped saying anything. I think its a lost cause to get an approval for anything anymore. But maybe its just me.[/b]

Well then, maybe it's time to revisit that topic. One thing that I learned early on when running this place, is that you can't please everyone. Some people won't like it, some people will, it's a matter of going with what is good for the club, and community of Taurus freaks that we are. :)
 

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I think a lot of the problem is the crappy economy we are in. If you aren't working, its hard to go to events that aren't in your backyard. A combined, affordable event would be best for everyone. I know when I was flat broke, I found it hard to go to Gingerman to come to ROTBs. I can certainly understand why shelling out $200 + expenses is hard.

For these times, less glitz, more organization works best for people.
 

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QUOTE (CometGSR @ Jun 10 2009, 11:05 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=731388
I think a lot of the problem is the crappy economy we are in. If you aren't working, its hard to go to events that aren't in your backyard. A combined, affordable event would be best for everyone. I know when I was flat broke, I found it hard to go to Gingerman to come to ROTBs. I can certainly understand why shelling out $200 + expenses is hard.

For these times, less glitz, more organization works best for people.[/b]
I dont get whats wrong with the SHOclub meet then? $80 for registration is all you have to pay. The only other thing that is over $20 (all optional of coruse) is the $230 for the road course. Do you need to do it? No. I didnt at ROTB last year and still had a blast. And if you cant afford a hotel for 5 days, try rooming with a friend or two, cuts the price by alot. How can it get any more affordable then that?
 

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Well, here's the thing: you are only including a few expenses.

You have to consider that you've got registration at $80, a hotel room that might cost you $30-40 a night if you split 4 ways, but you also have gas and food expenses as well. Depending on where you live, that adds up.

So for someone like me to drive up to the convention, I'd be spending $80 on registration, at least $200 on a hotel, at least $150 in food, and about another $200 in fuel costs.

That's at least $630 dollars for a 5 day event without any optional stuff like the car show, tshirts, road coarse, etc.

That's not affordable at all for a student like myself working and going to school. That's a hefty chunk of money that can be spent in many other needed ways.



I'm not trying to say that it's ridiculously expensive, but "affordable" differs widely depending on many factors
 

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QUOTE (soccernamlak @ Jun 11 2009, 11:47 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=731594
Well, here's the thing: you are only including a few expenses.

You have to consider that you've got registration at $80, a hotel room that might cost you $30-40 a night if you split 4 ways, but you also have gas and food expenses as well. Depending on where you live, that adds up.

So for someone like me to drive up to the convention, I'd be spending $80 on registration, at least $200 on a hotel, at least $150 in food, and about another $200 in fuel costs.

That's at least $630 dollars for a 5 day event without any optional stuff like the car show, tshirts, road coarse, etc.

That's not affordable at all for a student like myself working and going to school. That's a hefty chunk of money that can be spent in many other needed ways.



I'm not trying to say that it's ridiculously expensive, but "affordable" differs widely depending on many factors[/b]
Im only including the "few" expenses because everything else is a given, no matter where you go or what it is, your going to have to pay for a hotel room or campground. No matter where you go, your going to have to pay for food. And no matter where you go, you are paying for the gas to get there. Those expenses are a given, and they cant be raised or drop by the people hosting the event, you get what im saying? If you cant afford to take a 5 day trip then dont blame the people hosting the convention saying its not affordable when its the given things you cant afford. (note this is NOT a personal attack to anyone)

If making it affordable to you means having it close to you so you do not have to pay for a hotel room and gas and everything, then that will make it not affordable to someone else. Thats why they try to plan it in regions that will have the highest turnout, so it will be affordable to more people.

Point im trying to make is - If the location is the only thing making it unaffordable, dont say "oh thats way to expensive for me to go to that, what are they crazy?" beacuse that makes it look like its the host's are charging way too much when thats not whats going on. And no matter where it is hosted, there will always be someone who is unhappy.
 
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