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QUOTE (animex2 @ Mar 9 2009, 12:04 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=706853
i got a few opinions why just based on what was posted earlier.

1. Yea, there has been a regular Taurus sense 1986, a new gen is a new gen, was going to happen eventually. Although this new gen is really bad ass. There hasnt been a new SHO sense 1999, so 11 years without a new car, and one finally comes out. And your right, this the Taurus Car Club of America, and the SHO is a Taurus SHO, so we also pay respects to the SHO, as it is one of our own. Even knowing the SHO community may not think the same, but we are alot more open minded here.

2. Look at the name, RUNNING of the bulls. Im guessing the name came from the Tauruii Running on the track, not just sitting in front of someones house (not saying thats not a great time, just saying the name refers to a track event instead) therefore the name ROTB should be reserved for a big national meet with a track event.

Just my two cents.[/b]
Actaully i thinks that a very closed mind way of looking at it! A new gen is not just a new Gen, if you recall they stopped making the Taurus there for a couple of years and it almost didnt make it back into the line up! In my opinion the Taurus Car Club of America should be showing some kind of support for the New Regular Gen! Show FORD and the aftermarkets thats theres support and intrest for the new mark! Instead of sitting by the way side and letting the SHO community show all the support! Look at it this way suppose they didnt bother to design a new SHO and just brought out the New Regular Gen, Do you think the SHO community would throw any support toward this club and a national event that this club created to support a new regular gen, i think not! Like i said before I bet your going to see a lot of new regular Taurus owners and not a lot of New SHO owners on this forum. I think this club is really dropping the ball by not having a national event showing support towards the New Regular Gen Taurus! But hey i guess theres always next year!

I think the name, is just a name! ROTB, what does it matter if there is a track event or not, its a get together of bulls(tauruii) A running! I dont know, the whole thing about it cant be Running of the bulls unless theres a track event just sounds like bullshit to me! It also sounds like the person organizing the events doesnt know how to set up any other kind of event (except for a track day)and make it decent for everyone wanting to participate!


but what do i know, I am crazy!
 

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QUOTE (rudedog @ Mar 9 2009, 02:50 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=706895
I'm thinking RUNNING of the BULLS comes from a BIGGER event that's been going on for FAR LONGER than this club has been around, in SPAIN, where they send bulls running through the streets, and someone here thought the "phrase" was "cool".[/b]
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You are correct. the national SHO Club would not hold a national event for a non SHO Taurus launch. The national SHO Club is alos not holding a national event for the new SHO. The convention happens every year for the past 18 years or so.

RoTB has been tossed around every year and usually doesn't happen. Not from lack of desire. Not from lack of planning. From lack of enough people putting up.

No, I don't think you HAVE to have a track event fro RoTB. It has always had one in the past and is nice, but if it is too cost prohibitive, cut the track out.

Seriously, since no one has put together a track event or national meet for TCCA besides Jason (and Bab), no one knows whats involved. I know personally some of the people that have funded the past events. I have seen the attendance being mainly SHO owners, who quite frankly, are going to be more interested in the national SHO convention this year.

Again, I am in no way knocking anyone here or their willingness to have an event. Set one up. It does not have to be called RoTB. You could call it "Bull Fest - No Bull, we're doing it". Just because Jason cancels the TCCA sanctioned RoTB does not mean people can't put together their own national meet and use the board to promote it. I can tell you right now, a meet in TX would be freaking kick arse. I would go, but not this year. Thats just me though. I have Carlisle, Convention and I have been trying to pull off going to Star Days this year.
 

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wow this has totally gone off track in a big hury..
this club is for all taurus owners (slo and sho) the new generation while sharing nothing with the old generation (4) is none the less a taurus and ford is hoping with this new groundbreaking design it will be as popular as the 86 taurus. honestly i think ford should have waited a year to introduce the new sho, it would give us an opportunity to fall in love with the new taurus and have something even greater to look forwrard to. what i am getting at is that we are talking about our club not any other one, our club is unique from all others and it requires that we think of it in that way.
as for olanning i think it should be done earlier and everything set in stone much sooner. the sooner the better it gives us more time to save up and work our plans around it. you could set everything up and then a month or so beforehand ask who is all coming that way you will get the most realistic numbers allow members more time to save money before hand.
also since most of us like to get down and dirty and work on our own cars, we could make our meeting (rotb or anything) into a camping trip most places have camping plots for under 30 bucks a night and a decent tent wont cost more than maybe 70 bucks and who can resist sitting in front of a campfire bonding with your friends and making smores lol
i hope most of that makes sense lol just my .02
 

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I was really going to leave this be after my last post.

One of the problems I'm having with this is, "this will not happen, this.... will not happen, and, this, will not be allowed 'unless". I mean the attitude seems quite counter productive to me. It also seems like noone has really READ what I've posted. I appreciate the lot of people that have over the last couple of YEARS, posted that if we were to do something in Texas, they'd show up. A big meet in Texas is not what I want to plan, I'll say it again, I DON'T WANT IT IN TEXAS. I've NEVER posted that I did, I've never also posted that it would not have some type of driving "event", but I DID say, that it wouldn't necessarily be a TRACK event. See, I gaurantee nobody caught that! I would be absolutely happy to hold it in Arkansas, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri or Oklahoma. That way ALL members, from every corner have an equal oppurtunity for attendance. But you know what, seriously, if you'd absolutely LOVE to have a meet here in my beautiful state, send me an e-mail, or a pm, keep it off the main board, and I'll see what can be done. Another problem I have is the mw/ne thing, yeah, sure it's got the greatest concentration, but show me where that proves, it draws the biggest attendance, when there have not been any other attendance records to compare it to. There was a meet scheduled a couple of years ago for Atlanta, with one comment, it was cancelled, is that the 0 attendance that will be pulled out, a cancelled event? In my opinion telling members that they can plan something, but they CAN'T call it "this" because they didn't include a "track" event, is absurd. As for timing of the whole meet thing yes, that's the biggest negative. We've got Fast Ford, Carlilse, the Convention, 24 hours of LeMons events and probably several others AT LEAST. There's a lot of **** to do in a "car guys" life. And THAT is probably the biggest reason attendance has sucked for ROTB all these years. I'm done, if I get the wild hair to plan something I'll post it up when it's finalized, then people can either show up or not, famous or failure it'll be memorable, simple as that.



There's a generic saying I like to use, so I hope noone takes it personally.

Life's simple, quit complicating it you TARD!!!!!
 

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QUOTE (sable23 @ Mar 9 2009, 10:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=707074
as for olanning i think it should be done earlier and everything set in stone much sooner. the sooner the better it gives us more time to save up and work our plans around it. you could set everything up and then a month or so beforehand ask who is all coming that way you will get the most realistic numbers allow members more time to save money before hand.
also since most of us like to get down and dirty and work on our own cars, we could make our meeting (rotb or anything) into a camping trip most places have camping plots for under 30 bucks a night and a decent tent wont cost more than maybe 70 bucks and who can resist sitting in front of a campfire bonding with your friends and making smores lol
i hope most of that makes sense lol just my .02[/b]
Unfortunately, track events do not lend themselves to waiting until a month before for payment. Track payment is usually required in full months before the actual event.

Other then that I agree. (except this city boy is all set on camping... ;) )
 

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QUOTE (sable23 @ Mar 9 2009, 10:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=707074
wow this has totally gone off track in a big hury..
this club is for all taurus owners (slo and sho) the new generation while sharing nothing with the old generation (4) is none the less a taurus and ford is hoping with this new groundbreaking design it will be as popular as the 86 taurus. honestly i think ford should have waited a year to introduce the new sho, it would give us an opportunity to fall in love with the new taurus and have something even greater to look forwrard to. what i am getting at is that we are talking about our club not any other one, our club is unique from all others and it requires that we think of it in that way.
as for olanning i think it should be done earlier and everything set in stone much sooner. the sooner the better it gives us more time to save up and work our plans around it. you could set everything up and then a month or so beforehand ask who is all coming that way you will get the most realistic numbers allow members more time to save money before hand.
also since most of us like to get down and dirty and work on our own cars, we could make our meeting (rotb or anything) into a camping trip most places have camping plots for under 30 bucks a night and a decent tent wont cost more than maybe 70 bucks and who can resist sitting in front of a campfire bonding with your friends and making smores lol
i hope most of that makes sense lol just my .02[/b]
For future ROTB reference, I also like the camping idea. If there are campgrounds in the area of the track. If camping instead of hotel was an option, I would have a much better chance at attending.
 

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Even though I'm new here, and a SHO owner (even though pops has an LX) I'm gonna throw in my .02.

First, I understand people's frustration that there won't be a "ROTB", however the fact that rather than saying "no event" you are referring people to the SHO Convention is a GOOD THING. Yes, it's centered around the SHO, but all trims are welcome. And consider this - in a year where a new body style is being released they will (according to a post in this thread) have FORD at their event with a few of the new models. Now they might all be SHOs, but do you really think anyone on here could get any auto manufacturer to show up for a glorified track day? For a base Taurus? In the middle of nowhere? Oh yeah, and one of the typical staples of a SHO convention is a track day on top of everything else that SHOULD be included in any 'real' meet - Car Show (SHOw), cruise, and an event (dinner or drinks or something). To me, those points combined means problem solved - it's not like the SHO guys are going to prevent an 86 GL from getting out on the track. And you'll get a chance to see the new generation up close. Besides, it's only one year skipped of ROTBs, and it gives you that much more time to make the next one that much better.

Next, State of the Club, if you want to do a "SOTC" event why would you pin it to a ROTB track day if some people are saying they don't want to hit a track? And if you really want member feedback from a broad range of people on here, why not do REGIONAL SOTCs where members do exactly as stated - sit around bullshit and make a list of great ideas for the future of TCCA. Then you can worry about condensing those ideas from the regionals into one list on here, or have a FOLLOWUP national SOTC event making sure that whomever kept the records/ideas from the regional attends or passes it on.

Third, how can you improve a track day if it's in the same place? You'll never get new attendees because it's 1-24 hours driving further than they want to go. The #1 reason the SHO Convention is so successful is that it moves every year. OK, now yes, there was a failed convention - but just that ONE. And it made for a convenient way to skip convention #13. That scared people away from the west coast for a few years, but then they went ahead and did last years in WA, I would have gone if I'd known but was not on SHOforum at the time, and guess what it was just as successful as the east coast meets.

It just seems like people shouldn't ask for advice then ignore ANY idea that doesn't center around the New England corridor. Why not try out Denver, Lincoln, or Omaha for a meet. Now I understand that would make absolutely no sense if I lived in Maine - but I don't, and any of those 3 cities is IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY. Now there might not be a race circuit close to any of them, but I guarantee you could find a 1/4 track, some type of large venue, and a cheap hotel within close proximity to each other near any of those towns.

I might be shooting myself in the foot here - I'm not trying to start bad blood with people. It just seems there is some sort of separation anxiety with not doing an event at someone's local track be it the founder/organizer/member/president/black ops or whoever. Why not offer up to let someone else plan a meet then? Assuming that whoever this person is happens to be correct, the event organized by someone else WILL be a huge failure, allowing them a chance to:
1) rub it in everybody's face that they were right
2) continue to have the same event at the same place with the same people every year
3) Use it as an excuse to tighten the reigns on whatever they have the power over and/or ban the person that created the failed event
But on the other hand it could be a success, but nobody will ever know if nothing is done. Zorin or the pres guy from Texas deserve a chance (not to lump them in the same group) - hell the TX dude doesn't even want it in his state, which to me says it's more about the club than convenience for him.

I understand that this is not a SHO club, so don't jump my **** for using these examples, that's what they are - EXAMPLES AND OR MY OPINION. I might be green to this group, and still fresh to SHOforum, but it's not like these are the first car forums I've been on or the first meets I've wanted to attend. And no I'm not driving out there this year because it's too far - if anything I would fly but I've already planned my vacations for this year so oh well.
 

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Well if there is a SOTC or anything like that, gotta pick a date and set everything up. Everyone at my job is already starting to request days off in the summer, I just requested off for Carlisle and SHO Convention.
 

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QUOTE (animex2 @ Mar 17 2009, 01:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=709633
Well if there is a SOTC or anything like that, gotta pick a date and set everything up. Everyone at my job is already starting to request days off in the summer, I just requested off for Carlisle and SHO Convention.[/b]
Massive Meet :unsure:
 

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FYI - there is a rather significant group of folks that attend our track events that I keep in touch with via e-mail. Here is a message I just sent them.

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Hello everyone!

It's finally that time of year to get geared up for track events! I'm very excited about this, especially after having the Mustang stored all winter. It's nice to be able to have it out again.

You probably expected to hear from me before now (and many of you have asked) about a Spring track event.

I must admit that time is escaping me this year and I was not on top of my planning for track events. It's now too late and too short notice to put something together for this Spring. Ultimately, it boils down to a lack of time on my part.

Through the course of thinking about track events for the year I've been kicking around the idea of putting together a Fall event (as usual). With the number of events (outside of racing/track time) I'm committed to this year, that just isn't looking feasible.

A small, but notable part of what has taken my time and distracted me is the release of the new 2010 Taurus SHO. It is very exciting that Ford decided to bring this back. I had a unique opportunity to attend the Press Conference and "unveiling ceremony" in Chicago back in February. It was a spectacular event that included a tour of the plant in Chicago where the cars are being built. Ford rolled out the red carpet for a group of us SHO enthusiasts and we got top notch treatment to celebrate the re-introduction of the new SHO. The car is absolutely phenominal and a fantastic bang for the buck, I can't wait to drive one! Hopefully all of you will do the same when it hits show rooms mid-summer.

This e-mail is getting rather long-winded so I'm going to wrap it up. In summary, there are no TCCA events planned for this year's track season (and there probably won't be any). I wanted to keep in touch with everyone so you aren't left wondering. Even though it looks like I won't be running any events this season I still plan to attend as many as I can. So, please let me know where you're spending your track time this summer and let me know if there's an opportunity to join you! If I can be of assistance with anyone's events please let me know that as well.

Hopefully I'll see many of you at the various track events this summer! Many thanks for your support of the TCCA and we hope to have you back during what should be an eventful 2010 season.

I don't like this "hiatus" for TCCA track events, but there's just more on my plate than I can handle at the moment!

Thanks again and I hope to hear back from you soon! I wish you all a safe and fun track season!

-Jason Kennedy
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330-806-5832[/b]
This also means that I do not have the necessary time to plan a SOTC meet. I realize that we could probably work something into the MASSive meet, but I'm not certain I can make it to that yet and it isn't clear to me when/where an opportunity to meet would occur. I'm certainly open to ideas. Bottom line is that I'm extremely busy and whatever happens can't require a ton of my time to plan.
 

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QUOTE (jason8225 @ Apr 5 2009, 12:44 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=715328
FYI - there is a rather significant group of folks that attend our track events that I keep in touch with via e-mail. Here is a message I just sent them.

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Hello everyone!

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Thanks again and I hope to hear back from you soon! I wish you all a safe and fun track season!

-Jason Kennedy
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www.taurusclub.com
330-806-5832[/b]
This also means that I do not have the necessary time to plan a SOTC meet. I realize that we could probably work something into the MASSive meet, but I'm not certain I can make it to that yet and it isn't clear to me when/where an opportunity to meet would occur. I'm certainly open to ideas. Bottom line is that I'm extremely busy and whatever happens can't require a ton of my time to plan.
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I've been keeping an eye on my own work schedule to gauge when I can or can't take time off for an event, and long story short, I do have a few ideas for possible dates, for which I'd be more than happy to help plan a multi-day SOTC meet if it means taking some burden of the work involved off your plate. For example, April 20th up until Memorial day is wide-open for me; anytime from June 19th through July 3rd would work out; and August 8th through September 3rd is all clear as well. Let me know if any of these time periods check out with when you're available, and I'll gladly help to coordinate a TCCA meet somewhere that's as convenient as possible for most members. Where exactly is the largest concentration of members? The old forums had a mapping function to find that out, but it seems to have disappeared with this latest relaunch. Anyway, the Chicago Auto Show outing wasn't half bad, and I'd really like to be able to attend a meet & greet kind of event with the other chapters. I agree that arranging a track event would be pushing it this year due to the economy, but we should still be able to have fun as a club without only calling it Running Of The Bulls or breaking the bank to reserve a location.
 

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QUOTE (showhat9 @ May 10 2009, 12:54 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=723966
So who drove the eco boost? Reactions? C'mon now it's over and we knew about it. Give us the dirt man!!![/b]
The 2010 SHO was awesome; the sheer amount of thrust when you punch the throttle will likely make some drivers feel weak in the knees and make others hard just above the knees. :p (Sorry if it was in bad taste, but I've been waiting all weekend to use that one!)

Sadly, no one got to drive them except for the Ford Motor Co. chassis dynamics engineer (Jeff, he was a real stand-up guy. Great track instructor, too!) who brought one from Ann Arbor, and the Car & Driver Magazine staffers who drove the other one in to do "research" for their upcoming road test article- FYI, be sure to check out their September '09 issue for the complete article, with pictures taken at GingerMan of a Red Candy Metallic '10 SHO with a red Gen1 SHO and a blue Gen2 SHO that belonged to some of the other attendees. By the end of their long, harsh session of test laps, the '10 literally had smoking front brakes; I snapped the photos to prove it! If the upcoming article heaps half as much praise on the SHO as the staffers did in person on Saturday, then Car & Driver will have started to redeem themselves in my mind for their long-standing bias towards only picking comparison test winners that happen to come from BMW, Honda or Toyota. As I mentioned in the track meet thread up at the top of this page, I will be putting up a new post with links to the complete photo and video galleries from this weekend. No definite ETA yet, since the vids are taking substantially longer to upload than I had expected. I feel confident that you'll all see the finished results by the middle of this week; I'm optimistically shooting for it to be done by Wednesday. One side note, though. If anyone viewing the galleries is actually depicted in some of the photos, please let me know either by e-mail or PM what your name is and any details you'd like to give about your cars, which I will gladly add to the completed post as informative captions.

Thank you for your patience; the gallery will be open very soon. And please, no flash photography or excessive use of this smilie-
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I know exactly how pointless words are at describing this past weekend's event.


ETA: see Events thread- Sorry for the conflicting post, but my pictures were finally ready, so only the videos are yet to come.

Enjoy! View Topic- Gingerman 5/9/09
 
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