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Why go out and spend money for something that isn't needed, and then have to find space to store it? Just as easy to drop one side as the other, only the one way will wind up with less mess. Personal preference always comes out on top. Just a suggestion, not a contradiction. Thanks to the TCCA for the good flush procedure.
 

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In step # 2 you stated to place the car on jack stands. At this point the vehicle would be much higher in the front than the rear. Would this have any effect on the amount of fluid that could be removed? I asked you this because I have access to a old time drive over pit that was somewhat common in old home garages many years ago.
 

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New member here,, Just did all this, this afternoon, per Dlc360's recommendations,, got the car up, unhooked cooling line, started car, drained into big bucket, stopped engine, put in 5 qts. started car, flushed, stopped motor, put in 5 more qts. and flushed,, stopped motor, THEN dropped pan, replace filter, cleaned pan, AND MAGNET, put everything back per the instructions I read about ON THIS COOL SITE!!:wub: refilled with merc V. and that's it!! A super big thankyou to all that expressed help on these pages, btw, its a 2000 sel, duratech, with 124,000 runs real good! I prolly would not have done this, if I hadn't joined just a few days ago....... regards... Greg
 

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In step # 2 you stated to place the car on jack stands. At this point the vehicle would be much higher in the front than the rear. Would this have any effect on the amount of fluid that could be removed? I asked you this because I have access to a old time drive over pit that was somewhat common in old home garages many years ago.
If you have a pit available use it, that's the safest way to get under a car. Myself, When I did the trans service I always jacked the whole car up. When working under a car, I like to raise the whole thing just for more clearance & you can check other things under the car at the same time.

Thanks Triton3.5 for the compliment. I used this same write up on my cars. The original poster gets credit for that.
 

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Made an Ass Out of Myself

Boy did I make an ass out of myself on this one.

I did this and as I was refilling the tranny fluid after reconnecting the tranny return hose, it appeared to be leaking from the pan. I had the reuseable gasket and reused it torquing the bolts to 106 inch pounds per the Hyanes Manual.

I had purchased a new gasket because I just purchased this car used and did not know if the gasket was the reusable one. I thought the old gasket was bad so I dropped the pan again to replace the gasket with the new one.

I installed the new gasket and as I was refilling, it started leaking again. I double checked my torque again and wiped away the leaking area and it stopped. I was doing a quart at a time and I thought it was odd that it was leaking with just a couple quarts when it shouldn't have even reached the height of the gasket.

So then it hit me. I removed the funnel from the fill hole and sure enough, I could see tranny fluid on a hose below. Apparently, even though I was only doing a quart at a time, I was filling it too fast and it was coming out of the fill tube and leaking down in a way that made it drip right off one side of the pan. That's why it stopped after I wiped it and why it started after only a quart or two.

I then refilled slowly and the "leak" never came back.

I wasted a lot of time, fluid, and a gasket I could have returned for a refund on this. Had to run to two Walmarts to get more fluid (one Walmart had one quart on the shelf). My funnel wasn't very big and I thought I was pouring slowly enough as I seem to recall one poster who had the same issue but I thought he had a large funnel.

So what would have taken 3 hours ended up taking 8.
 

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Another note. I pumped out 4.5 quarts when I ran the engine and got another 1.5 quarts when I dropped the pan, for a total of 6 quarts. I was expecting to get close to 13, but I didn't check the level before I started.

I then put 14 quarts in (probably 2 or 3 quarts more than I needed but the fluid came out dark brown like oil so I wanted to be sure it was flushed well) but only pumped out 11 before the flow stopped.

I then reconnected the return line put another 2 quarts in which should have given me 5 quarts in. I then noticed leak and dropped the pan to change the gasket and got another 4.5 quarts out, leaving me with .5 quarts in.

When I went to refill everything, It took only 7 quarts before going to the top of the cross hatch pattern on the dip stick.

So it looks like there is always about 6 quarts in the tranny even after pumping it out and dropping the pan.

I was confused by the original post that said add ten quarts and pump until it stops or turns red and then add 5 quarts and check level, not realizing there is always about 6 quarts remaining in the tranny (which makes sense if he said only add 5 quarts and then check the level).

I almost put 8 quarts in before checking, assuming I was going to need about 12 or 13 quarts but I stopped at 7 quarts.

The fluid level is a little above the top of the cross hatch pattern. Maybe 1/8 inch. Do I need to pump some out to get it in the crosshatch pattern?
 

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Another note. I pumped out 4.5 quarts when I ran the engine and got another 1.5 quarts when I dropped the pan, for a total of 6 quarts. I was expecting to get close to 13, but I didn't check the level before I started.

I then put 14 quarts in (probably 2 or 3 quarts more than I needed but the fluid came out dark brown like oil so I wanted to be sure it was flushed well) but only pumped out 11 before the flow stopped.

I then reconnected the return line put another 2 quarts in which should have given me 5 quarts in. I then noticed leak and dropped the pan to change the gasket and got another 4.5 quarts out, leaving me with .5 quarts in.

When I went to refill everything, It took only 7 quarts before going to the top of the cross hatch pattern on the dip stick.

So it looks like there is always about 6 quarts in the tranny even after pumping it out and dropping the pan.

I was confused by the original post that said add ten quarts and pump until it stops or turns red and then add 5 quarts and check level, not realizing there is always about 6 quarts remaining in the tranny (which makes sense if he said only add 5 quarts and then check the level).

I almost put 8 quarts in before checking, assuming I was going to need about 12 or 13 quarts but I stopped at 7 quarts.

The fluid level is a little above the top of the cross hatch pattern. Maybe 1/8 inch. Do I need to pump some out to get it in the crosshatch pattern?
Good idea to pump the pan out before the drop, then to drop the pan to inspect for debris, clean it & the magnet & to replace tranny filter, then refill the 6qts removed & continue on with a full fluid pumpout.

Yes the difference between what fluid was removed with the pan pumpout & drop, remains in the torque converter, valve body, cooler & lines, about half the system capacity, or about 6.25 qts.

If we've overfilled a bit & want to remove some fluid, add a length of tubing, say a foot or two longer than the tranny dipstick, to an old hand soap pumps syphon tube, so its long enough that if it comes loose it won't fall out of reach into the tranny fill tube & is long enough to easily work with as follows. Feed it down the tranny dipstick tube until it reaches the bottom of the tranny pan & pump away, to remove small amounts of fluid.

Here is my page 11 tweak on that thread, on how I do the home pumpout fluid service, that might shed some light on your questions.
http://www.taurusclub.com/forum/1440892-post104.html
 

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Also thought I'd add this because I didn't see it in this thread. If you're only changing the fluid in the pan and your filter, you'll need about 8 quarts of ATF.

I don't know why the Haynes manual says to pour in four quarts and then add as needed. I felt like a dumbass adding one quart at a time and then checking the level. Friggin took forever because each time you check the level you have run it through gears. Anyway, my fluid level finally started looking good at around 7 1/2 quarts, this was in a 97 duratec with the AX4N tranny.
I think I'm going to bypass disconnecting the hoses and simply change the fluid in the pan.

Is it as straightforward as it seems: remove the 17 bolts, drop the pan, change the filter, reattach and fill?
 

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Please check the date and refrain from bumping old topics. If it's been more than 6 months and you're not an original party to the thread, please start a new topic or send a PM if it's a question to a specific question.

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