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Originally posted by Tman@May 21 2004, 11:42 PM
just so you could start the car with a dry air box and filter. just pull out all those parts and put them in your garage and they should dry quickly. oil change is the most important thing right now. Also did the ce light come on at all when the car was running?? if so take it to autozone after you change the oil and have them check the codes. And i figured dan would say that, what is his suggestion/plan?
no, the check engine light isnt on. not sure if it was when he couldn't start it or not. i'll pull all the parts tommorrow if its not raining. i don't know what his plan is. we can't afford to take it in thats for sure. he's probably planning on me fixing it, since i have to do everything with the cars. but theres no way i can do a job like that without help. so he'll have to give in. i'll talk to him tommorrow. thanks everyone for all the help and suggestions.
 

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np just call my cell if you need my help or tools.
 

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Originally posted by detroit_raver@May 21 2004, 05:05 PM
i took the oil cap off and its kinda whitish and bubbly looking around the edges and under the cap. and its clicking like twice per second really fast.
That whitish foam is water in the crankcase.

Drain the oil, replace the filter. If the car was running well (besides the clicking) then you have a lifter that has lost pressure. After the oil is changed, run the car at 2000rpm for a minute. The clicking should go away once the lifter has regained fluid to keep it pressurized.


I have a 1999 Ranger 2.5L 4cyl. It has 2 plugs per cylinder (waste spark). I changed the plugs and timing belt on Wednesday, and when I restarted the truck, I had the same clicking. No reason.... I ran the truck for about a minute and the clicking got quieter, then I drove it on the highway and the sound disappeared.
 

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yea what he said...but from what she's describing to me in private is a possbile valve problem either hanging up or damaged. I will get morei nfo after i hear it for myself
 

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well, i took off the intake and the MAF to dry and just put it back on my car. took out the spark plugs to dry and just put them back on my car. changed the oil and the oil filter. turned on the car, and its still making the same metal on metal clanging clicking noise. ran the car for a few minutes giving it gas and it didn't go away. there was a lot of water up the intake though. it was actually still coming out some when i pulled everything off. the hubbie said as he was going through the water, the cars on the other side of the road were making waves, so the water was up on the door. so more water got up there than i thought. so, i don't know what to do now. we can not take it in. we can't afford it. the ole man thinks we are gonna trade it in and get a new 2004 taurus. which we can't afford cause i still have to pay this car off til august 2005. and i don't care if i have to mess with the engine myself for a year, i am not getting rid of my car. anyway, we are gonna call the insurance company tommorrow to see if they will cover it. there would be proof that the road was bad cause the cops blocked it off right after he drove through it. so they could get record of that. but what i was wondering was, what should i do about the CAI. should i leave it on there, or will they not cover it than? or should i put the stock air box in? but than how would water of gotten into the engine? what should i do about that?
 

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get a stock air box asap and say llike you said he was going through the water and passing car mades waves up past the floor boards and water got into the intake. It's under comprehensive(sp?) part of your insurance but i've seen insurance companies at my work cover 50k yukons than have sugar and other stuff in there engine and totally destroy it. Can you get out today sarah i want to hear the car run really bad cause i might be able to fix it cheap.
 

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Originally posted by Tman@May 23 2004, 02:39 PM
get a stock air box asap and say llike you said he was going through the water and passing car mades waves up past the floor boards and water got into the intake. It's under comprehensive(sp?) part of your insurance but i've seen insurance companies at my work cover 50k yukons than have sugar and other stuff in there engine and totally destroy it. Can you get out today sarah i want to hear the car run really bad cause i might be able to fix it cheap.
its got full coverage cause i'm still paying on the loan. i'll replace the airbox. my old one is at my parents house. although there basement is under like 4 feet of water right now. i should be able to find it. i can not drive the car anywhere. no way. its way to bad. it will get way worse if i do. when dan is at work tommorrow i'll call you and put the phone up to the noise. i did for my dad today and he said it sounds bad.
 

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ok will do i beat it's one of 3 things....1)rod bearing(s)(bad but fixable rather easily)...2) lifters(again fixable rather easily)...3)something broke in the drivetrain be it a lifter, push rod, valve, or possibly a connecting rod. That would spell a rebuild or replacement of some sort. Save your oil filter...let it drain all the oil out and save it for me so i can cut it open or you can and see if you can see any metal shavings in the filter element if you do then something broke.
 

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alright, i'll have him take it into work tommorrow and cut it open. and pray that i don't need a rebuild. i can not have this right now. i start school soon and now i have no car. i can't drive that ranger far or it'll stall out and i can't drive stick. ahhh.... me and my bad luck with this car.
 

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i know exactly how you feel but if i does need work you have to talk dan into letting me fix it for you cause i don'tt want to see you miss out out school or something because of this.
 

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check to see if you are getting spark from all of your plugs, you could have just gotten some water in one of your coils and shorted it out, that could cause your engine to run rough, and it could be your clicking noise as well. More than likely your MAF sensor got wet though. Try replacing that. If you did get down your intake you wouldnt have to worry, because it would have evacuated pretty quick. It takes a little while for water to do real damage to an engine. Plug in a scan tool and you should be able to find the problem pretty fast anyways. I did the same thing with my escort once. Ran like crap for a couple of days, I ended up only having to replace the fan, plugs, and coils. Yeah and the cops blocked off the intersection after they saw me go through.
 

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This is horrible luck, but there are a few things you can do.

This is what I would have done. Take out all the plugs, and spray WD-40 down the holes, then crank it a few times. After that, pull the intake off, dry that out and pull the valve covers, maybe spray WD-40 ona rag and then wipe the intake and the inside out real well. Spray WD-40 inside the valve covers and on all the mechanical parts down there.

As for the oil, change it and drive it for a day or 2, then change it again.

See if this solves your problem.
 

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The motor is toast IMHO. You either have a broken rod, cracked piston, or bent valves. Hydro-locking is usually fatal to a motor. It would be cheaper to find a replacement engine that repairing the one you have. And you would have spare parts around for the newer one from the original motor.
 

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Not to be a pessimist, but I doubt the insurance will cover repairs to the car. The water entered the motor through an aftermarket intake setup. If it was factory, or you could erase evidence of the modifications, they might help.

I wouldn't recommend trying to fool the insurance company though... fraud is not something you want to get into. Good luck.
 

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I'm sorry to hear all the trouble that your having.

I'm from Detroit and I live in Ann Arbor(30 mi from Det.) now. As far back as I can remember spring time always brings floods in this general area. I want a CAI but cannot afford this to happen.

I wonder if there is a way to restrict water from entering CAI without restricting air?
 

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I wonder if there is a way to restrict water from entering CAI without restricting air?
You could try staying out of water that's over a foot deep. :)

There are diverter valves for the intake but they add bulk to an already tight system.
 

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Well, it still starts and is running, so that is a good sign. But it does sound like a lifter tap.

The reason for taking everything apart and using the WD-40 is that it will displace any trapped moistrue in there.

When the intake, plugs and valve covers are off, wipe it all clean and spray it all over the place. Remove any excess and re-assemble.

As for the oil, like I said, before you fire it up, change it, just get the cheap stuff because in a day or two, you will need to do it again to remove the rest of the WD-40 and any sludge that got in there.

You might want to check the coolant, maybe change that as well.

The reason I know this is we had to do it on our boat a while ago. Except instead of WD-40, we used Diesel Fuel, it flushed EVERYTHING out of there. But for this application, it is not necessary.

Or instead of WD-40 use PB Blaster, that stuff is worth it weight in gold.

This is minimal cost, a rebuilt engine...... well.......
 

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hey guys, sorry, i lost power for the last 48 hours. 10 power lines down all around my house. on my fences. firemen came and taped off my house. lol!!! anyway, the hubbie does not want to deal with the car anymore. we still have a year of payments, and the tranny is starting to slip again. well, its been slipping. he does not want to keep the car for it to have major repairs again. plus its got 137,000 miles. so... he talked to a sales man, and i guess they are gonna pay off the rest of the loan and take the car. than we get $4,000 off a 2004 Taurus with the A plan cause his dad works at fords. and than there are about $4,000 in rebates right now until june 1st. so for a $24,000 car we are gonna get it for about $16,000. we put a deposit on it yesterday. we'll pick it up tommorrow after i pull all the stuff off my car. its a Black 2004 SES with the Duratec! so i'll let everyone know what happens. i'm so sad to see my baby go though. :( my son even almost started crying yesterday, he doesn't want the car to leave he says. he says he loves the car. and i promised him he could have it. i feel so bad. not to mention that while i was working on the car yesterday he slammed his one finger in the trunk. and i had to take extra long to get it out, cause the battery was disconnected. he took a big chunck out of his finger. and than my brother took me for a ride on his brand new crotch rocket yesterday. he took off so fast, i think it was 3 seconds and we were already at 85mph. well when he took off the force was so great in the back that my hand slammed forward into his gas tank and i sprained my stupid right wrist. its so bruised and swollen. its gonna be real fun trying to get the stuff off my car now. what a luck filled weekend. thanks for all the help guys, i really appreciate it.
 

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I think in a week or two, you'll be so happy with your new ride, you won't miss the old one so much. Of course you'll always miss the interior of the Gen 3, but you'll have more power under the hood, and no worries of transmission problems. :)
 

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wow congrats on the gen 4 i would take your sable wheels off and keep em and sell em thats money your giving away. Anyhow good luck on the gen 4 post pics when you get it. Welcome to the Durtec club...
 
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