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Read this tale of the plastic upper intakes for Duratecs. May be old news for some but if you're looking at buying a 2000 Duratec Taurus, at least read the story and be aware of possibilities.

It started with a BANG
 
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Typical ford quality junk and dealer service...

Quality is Job number 1
 

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Wow, scary thought having the intake explode with the hood open. I always stand back just a bit before having someone start a car with the hood up. I never worried about an intake exploding though. I don't like dealership service at all. I only trust one shop to work on my cars, and that's because he truly does stand behind his work.
 

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Yeah I remember being blasted and called a Ford hater for bringing this issue up. Dealerships are very poorly equipped to handle even simple jobs, we've all seen enough of the "Ford QualityCare oil changes" where they put 1 qt of oil too much or too little, or Mercon in a Mercon V transmission.
 

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Originally posted by DeltarMN@Feb 3 2004, 12:30 AM
And thats why Fords are Do It Yourself Cars.
Yup and being at the top of the DIY service list, only adds insult to injury for Ford.

-mobiuslogic
 

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Does anyone know how hard it would be to put a Gen 3 aluminum intake on a Gen 4 motor? I'm sure it'll bolt on, but do we think all the other connections will match up?

-Dan
 

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Originally posted by dant98@Feb 3 2004, 07:05 AM
Does anyone know how hard it would be to put a Gen 3 aluminum intake on a Gen 4 motor? I'm sure it'll bolt on, but do we think all the other connections will match up?

-Dan
Does your car have secondaries? If not, I wouldn't recommend it as it would simply cause a further restriction.
 
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Originally posted by Twilight+Feb 3 2004, 08:43 AM-->QUOTE (Twilight @ Feb 3 2004, 08:43 AM)
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Does anyone know how hard it would be to put a Gen 3 aluminum intake on a Gen 4 motor?  I'm sure it'll bolt on, but do we think all the other connections will match up?

-Dan
Does your car have secondaries? If not, I wouldn't recommend it as it would simply cause a further restriction. [/b]
Don't all Duratec's have secondaries?


And for Dan/Wes, provided that everything matches up, I would think it would be a good swap. The plastic only has exploding problems on 2000 models (If I read correctly). So it *shouldn't* be a problem on your gen 3, and you'd have an advantage of a colder UIM. And dan won't have to worry about his exploding
 
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Originally posted by XLSuruaT@Feb 2 2004, 10:36 PM
Typical ford quality junk and dealer service...

Quality is Job number 1
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Obviously everyone here has had pretty Sh*tty service from dealerships - I will agree that they tend to be a bit more expensive, but their service is awesome - at least at the dealership I go to. Sorry you all have had bad experiences, but it is all about the individual dealership you go to. I don't think any broad generalities about Ford Service as a whole should be based upon a few sh*tty dealerships out there. I guess it just is annoying to constantly see people bashing the service, when it isn't all as horrible as everyone makes it out to be.


*edit* - and every company has flaws - it's not just Ford - I know plenty of people who have had problems with GM - Buick and Chevy dealerships and even BMW dealerships.
 

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The service writers are the ones I have always had a problem with.
They either tell you they can't duplicate the problem or that it isn't covered under warranty.

One other thing. They will tell a person that doesn't seem to be car savy some serious bull crap that doesn't even apply to what the problem is and it makes you want to choke them to death.
They also told me if I put an auxillary tranny cooler on my 94Gl it would void the warranty.

IDIOTS

man I feel better
 

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Don't all Duratec's have secondaries? [/b]
I thought I remembered some thread, somewhere, in a galaxy far, far away in which someone of importance said that GenIV's don't have secondaries. Doc, Bob, someone, can you confirm?
 

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Originally posted by Mantioch@Feb 3 2004, 03:47 PM
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Don't all Duratec's have secondaries? 
I thought I remembered some thread, somewhere, in a galaxy far, far away in which someone of importance said that GenIV's don't have secondaries. Doc, Bob, someone, can you confirm? [/b][/quote]
I can confirm.

My 2000 Gen4 duratec has NO SECONDARIES. It also has the plastic intake.

Another thing - If your car was recalled, chances are the procedure to flash the PCM was done correctly.

I saw that site months ago, and its a pretty rare occurance done by a few morons in a few dealerships.

Thats it


-Damon
 

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Do the Gen 4 tec's have something instead of secondaries? They seem to pull just as hard, so something might be making up for it.

Also, if ford just down tuned the engines or something to "fix" thier exploding intake problem, what about those who have custom tunning jobs? Are they at risk?

-Dan
 
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I'd like to know what they did to make the car stop backfiring???
 

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Originally posted by WarSong@Feb 3 2004, 02:32 PM
Unfortunately, the other three Ford/Mercury dealerships I've dealt with have been total retards.
Just what do you have against the poor "Retards"? Mentally challenged people can't help their situation.
 

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Originally posted by jason8225@Feb 3 2004, 04:50 PM
I'd like to know what they did to make the car stop backfiring???
The problem was because of a previous recall. In a previous recall, some of the cars got something in the PCM accidentally/incorrectly changed, which is the reason the backfiring occured.

So in actuality, the recall existed because of another recall that failed


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I've been to good &bad dealerships. The dealership I bought my car from took a MONTH to replace my tranny. I didnt really care because I had a free 5 speed Ranger that I beat the schit out of.


Jerome Duncan in Sterling Heights, MI was great for all my claims. Got me a new longblock installed within 4 days and they paid for an Enterprise loaner for a week, even though the reapir only took 4 days. It also didnt hurt that the manager knew my stpedad just bought a 2002 Saleen from them. Build a good relationship with the manager and you should get good service.
 
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In the article, the conversation between the owner of the dealer ship and the owner of the sable is a very common tatic ford likes to do. If they can close out an invoice, they can get you to pay more for a related repair on the next invoice. It has happened to me FOUR times, and on the third/fourth when I finally stood up to the dealer, by not paying until the car was fixed, they threatened to call the cops on me. Sure it may have cost me $300 in the long run, but why do I need this crap. This has happened at multiple dealers by the way. Anyone who decides to take their car into the dealer for any sort of repair needs to know this.
 
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