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Dunno, pal. Even if you could find a comparable vehicle to the Taurus that had a manual that would bolt up to the Duratec, there'd probably be a ton of money going towards the install. I bet the increase in gas mileage would NEVER make up for the money that would go towards the swap. You'd actually save more money by buying a smaller car like an Escort that already has a manual and getting ~40mpg (friend's highway miles on his 95 Escort, 100k without any problems, bought at 90k for 2500).

Just to be a bastard...
 

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Originally posted by biteableniles@May 24 2004, 12:52 AM
Dunno, pal. Even if you could find a comparable vehicle to the Taurus that had a manual that would bolt up to the Duratec, there'd probably be a ton of money going towards the install. I bet the increase in gas mileage would NEVER make up for the money that would go towards the swap. You'd actually save more money by buying a smaller car like an Escort that already has a manual and getting ~40mpg (friend's highway miles on his 95 Escort, 100k without any problems, bought at 90k for 2500).

Just to be a bastard...
:lol: I'm going to keep that one and post it everytime I see the "h" :lol: Also... the Mazda 6 comes with a manual trans and a duratec. Just an FYI.
 

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Water injection is cheap enough to possibly pay itself off. Do some searches for "water injection" and you'll find a lot of info about it.
 

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well I was kinda kidding about the whole gas milage thing. Personally I just hate automatics. I got into a car accident and my son was born immediately after. I had to buy a car and I had to buy one quick. But I live in a pretty small town so I got a loan and got my sable. Now I do not get rid of this car cause I owe money on it, and I dont want to keep paying for a car I dont drive. I was just kinda curious because before this sable I hadnt owned an automatic transmission since I was 16 and I still cant get used to it.

sorry about the spelling. really dont care that much though, wasnt aware that proper spelling was as important here as it was in school. I will remember from now on.

Mazda 6 has a duratec? have any idea if theirs is similar to the ones inside the gen 3 taurus and sable? After going to school and working in a shop for a while I do feel I am mechanically inclined enough though that if it was possible, that I would not have to spend thousands on a mechanics labor, so I doubt there would be a great cost, aside from parts. And considering how these ax4s transmissions act I feel like I am in for a transmission rebuild or replacement pretty soon anyways, considering how much it is slipping right now.

Oh well I will look into those Mazda 6's and if anyone knows any more about them let me know. In the mean time I will go scold myself for not really caring how duratec is spelled.
 
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$2.19 a Gallon?? It's close to $2.50 here for Regular... $2.87 for Premium!! Wow, if you're crazy enough to change a Gen3 Sable from an Automatic to a Manual... what do you think everyone here in Fresno, Ca are ready to do!?!? LOL :lol2:
 

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contour huh. Which 3.0 are they using when they change them out. And hey 2.19 a gallon is a lot for those of us in the midwest. We are used to a few cents less a gallon. Plus in the midwest we have ethanol subsidies for farmers that also brings gas prices down. On top of everything else, here in the midwest people dont get paid as much as you out in california, thats why our cost of living is lower, cause we dont make near as much money for the same jobs. But I am rambling. I was thinking about contours, but I didnt think people were putting that duratec 3.0 in them. I guess I will pop on over to find me a ford mechanic today and ask him myself. Anyways gotta put plans of spending money on a trani or anything else on hold for today. I am off to put in new struts and bearing plates. Maybe I am a little rough on my car huh.

Hmm mods I have done so far to make better fuel economy. New plugs & wires. K&N filter and CAI. Flowmaster 40 series exhaust. Yes officer I still have my converters in there. I will neglect to tell him that there is just a straight pipe welded inside of the converters and they are for all purposes non functional. There is an easy mod everyone. Cut off your converters, stick a peice of exhaust pipe in it, weld in place, reattach your converters. Although officially I believe you should all follow all your state and federal emissions standards. Next I guess I will look into a digital ignition module or a new chip. Hmm I wonder if I should be an idiot and turn this thread into another turbocharger debate.
Just so you people know I am not just modding for fuel economy, I got some looks stuff going. Varad undercar Green Led lighting, very cool at night to see the highway glow green. I got that wired to relays on my headlights, courtesy lights, and car alarm so that whenever I turn on my lights or unlock or open my doors the undercar lights come on. Plus when my alarm goes off I really enjoy watching that bright green flashing going on underneath it just to attract the attention of those people who would just normally drive on by and not worry cause it isnt their car. Also I have in Sylvanial silverstars and I made a HD wire harness for my headlights. As soon as I get someone to finally tell me how to make fiberglass body parts I am making a body kit. If I do a good job on them I hope to sell them to a few members here to.
 

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The Cougar and Contour owners are using Taurus 3.0 blocks in thier cars. I assume they're running 5 speeds.

BTW, having an automatic around isn't all that bad of an Idea. I've often thougth about saving money for that type of conversion. Last Sunday I dislocated my right shoulder. now I have this gimp arm in a sling till it is healed. I can't even operate the floor shifter without reaching with my left hand. I can't imagine how I'd drive a stick.

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Originally posted by madness_spirit@May 24 2004, 09:17 PM
Mazda 6 has a duratec? have any idea if theirs is similar to the ones inside the gen 3 taurus and sable? After going to school and working in a shop for a while I do feel I am mechanically inclined enough though that if it was possible, that I would not have to spend thousands on a mechanics labor, so I doubt there would be a great cost, aside from parts. And considering how these ax4s transmissions act I feel like I am in for a transmission rebuild or replacement pretty soon anyways, considering how much it is slipping right now.
Yes, the Mazda's have a beefier version of the duratec, putting out around 220 hp IIRC. I'm not sure about the transmission bolting up or not, but I do know that finding one of them would probably be difficult since the car has only been out for about a year or so.
 

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damn looking around salvage yards, Cant find any contour manuals close to home. At least not ones from the 2.5 V-6 which is what they were putting the 3.0 in. But I found out that it is the duratec 3.0 they put in their contours, so I should have no problem. Although on the downside, I found quite a few gen 3 taurus/sables in the salvage yard with good duratecs. I almost didnt want the guys at the yard to see what I was driving. Kinda creepy that I couldnt find any good contours. Perhaps next time I buy a car I go out and see what the salvage yard has the least of.
 

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The trannie the Contour/Cougar guys are using is the MTX-75 transmission and is a direct bolt up to both the Duratec 25 and 30 motors. I think you would have to change some of the wiring over to accomidate some of the mtx's parts
 

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Just found out that the pulleys on a 96-98 duratec get in the way, but for some reason 99 fits perfectly. Well I got a perfectly good engine anyways so no sense in changing that out. Guess I will start looking into 2.5 duratec heads and I suppose I will have to settle for a shift kit.
 

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Originally posted by madness_spirit@May 26 2004, 08:20 PM
Just found out that the pulleys on a 96-98 duratec get in the way, but for some reason 99 fits perfectly. Well I got a perfectly good engine anyways so no sense in changing that out. Guess I will start looking into 2.5 duratec heads and I suppose I will have to settle for a shift kit.
Not just any heads, the SVT 2.5L heads for higher compression
 

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I own both, a '99 SVT Contour and '99 Taurus SE, both have Duratex.

The 3L Contour conversion uses 2000 and up block. The 2.5 and later 3.0 have the water pump on the back of the engine, whereas the older models have the water pump on the front. The later 3.0 engine require some other modifications to accept the MTX-75. Requires some grinding/cutting.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but I would not waste my time attempting to mount a manual into a Taurus. Besides fabricating tranny mounts, you'll also need:

custom axle shafts
custom ECU (remove/disable the code for auto trannies)
custom shift linkage and shifter


Too much time and money. Do yourself a favor. Spend less time and the same money buying a car with a manual if you need it that badly.

For less money you could have a serious bullitproof auto tranny built and get a custom ECU. It won't be a manual, but it will engage much firmer and have better shift points.
 

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Buying a car that does what you want the way you want makes more sense than putting a manual in a A/T car, or at least a Taurus.

Even though it's not a consideration, gas mileage is not particularly better with a manual than an A/T.

Personally, I like A/Ts better than manuals, but I've done a *lot* of driving, and I'd never have a manual unless it was my second or third car.

But I don't like Ford A/Ts at all. I'd rather put a 4-5speed GM A/T in a car, if I was of a mind to do that sort of thing.
 

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Originally posted by RAMdrd@May 28 2004, 02:58 PM
Even though it's not a consideration, gas mileage is not particularly better with a manual than an A/T.
I disagree 110% with that.

Gas mileage is better, manuals are more effecient, weigh less, require less service, and deliver more power to the road.

Did you know that NASCAR manual trannies are nearly 99% effecient?!?!?! In top gear the only moving parts are the direct connection from input to output.

Auto trannies have their place. Now with the SMG's, DSG's and so on, manual trannies are really improving, and have all the comfort of automatics.
 

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Hey part of the reason I want to change my sable to an automatic is because I just think it would be fun and different. If I wanted to drive some cookie cutter car that was easy to put stuff into why not just get a honda civic or something like that. I think some of you have to remember that the reason we arent ricers is cause we want to do something different. BTW MTX is far more effiecient than an ATX. Average horsepower loss due to an ATX is 25 just for the pump alone. Then you have to consider through your converter you are losing a bit. Unless you have one of those old cars with a lockup converter, your transmission will never spin at the full speed of your engine. In my view manuals also perform better on icy roads, being that you can control slip, also its nice being able to start off in second gear so you dont spin tires as bad on ice. And since I at the north end of north dakota, winter performance is very important to me. PLUS LIKE I SAID PEOPLE, DUE TO A CAR ACCIDENT INVOLVING A DUMB 78 YEAR OLD, I HAD TO BUY THIS CAR FROM A BUY HERE PAY HERE PLACE BECAUSE I HAD NOTHING ELSE, BAD CREDIT, AND MY WIFE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL HAVING MY SON SO I HAD NO TIME. So I am stuck with this car for a couple of years and cant afford a to just get rid of this one cause it displeases me
Back to what is important. How hard do you guys think it would be to replace my waterpump with an electric water pump, that should give me enough clearance to fit in an MTX. And werent the driveshafts from a contour the same size as those from a sable/taurus?
BTW why is it that people put the word custom before stuff to make it sound that much harder. CUSTOM ECU, oh god I have to reflash it. Hell I changed my brothers camero with a column shift automatic to a floor shift manual, I am aware I might have to whip out the old cuttin tool and get my hands dirty. Shift linkage should only have to be lengthened an inch or two. Custom shifter, you mean one with a little 8 ball on it or what?
 

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Originally posted by madness_spirit@May 30 2004, 12:04 PM
Unless you have one of those old cars with a lockup converter, your transmission will never spin at the full speed of your engine.
What are you talking about? It's the older cars that DON'T have a lockup converter.
 
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