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the spy guy2 (8:07:14 PM): you from bodykits.org?
BodyKitSeller (8:07:29 PM): yes
the spy guy2 (8:07:36 PM): sean?
the spy guy2 (8:08:38 PM): is this sean or someone else??
the spy guy2 (8:08:48 PM): my name is brad
BodyKitSeller (8:08:55 PM): this is
BodyKitSeller (8:09:11 PM): how you doing
the spy guy2 (8:09:46 PM): good- just wondering if there is anything going on with a body kit for the 96-99 ford tauruses?
BodyKitSeller (8:10:26 PM): we need a car
BodyKitSeller (8:10:31 PM): we are ready to do it
the spy guy2 (8:10:40 PM): have you checked out the tcca forums?
the spy guy2 (8:11:12 PM): http://www.tauruscarclub.com/forum/index.p...pic=5421&st=175
the spy guy2 (8:11:22 PM): have a few guys willing to i believe
the spy guy2 (8:11:34 PM): even i may be able to
the spy guy2 (8:11:44 PM): if you guys are truley intrested
BodyKitSeller (8:20:00 PM): we are
BodyKitSeller (8:20:00 PM): just need a car
BodyKitSeller (8:21:44 PM): we have 2 offices, we would need it at our san diego office
BodyKitSeller (8:21:52 PM): we would need it for 3 weeks
the spy guy2 (8:30:29 PM): ok, ill see what i can do
BodyKitSeller (8:35:41 PM): ok
BodyKitSeller signed off at 8:48:47 PM.

Any body want to drive to calli?
 
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You are totally wasting your time with this one. We tried in the past and all we kept getting were higher and higher prices and one person saying one thing, another saying something different.

FWIW, I live in San Diego and wouldn't bother driving over for a fitting. Went through this for OVER a year with these guys.

Save your energy.
 

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Brad, if you pick up a body kit for your car, PM me if you wanna unload that beautiful front bumper of yours...
 

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Maybe the company got frustrated because 20 people said that they would definetly buy a kit, 2 people put down the deposit, and no one was willing to havr their car fitted.

IMHO, the meer fact that they would even consider still making a kit for this club is astonishing!
 
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Maybe things have changed....I say do it.[/b]
If you wish to pursue this venture privately by all means do so but TCCA will not be involved with it officially. We tried in the past and it went nowhere, we're not going down that dead end road again. If you wish to try with them, by all means do so.

I will say that there is another manufacturer (with excellent references) that is considering working this for us. They have made no promises but are interested in doing a URETHANE kit project for Gen 3 and Gen 4 cars. They do not even require a car for test fitting. I mention this only because I am trying to save people a little frustration. I will say no more about it because it does no good to build up everyone if they cannot do it. Once I know ALL the necessary information and have a CONFIRMED commitment from them I will address it further.
 
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There's a few reasons why I think bodykits.org may not be the best place for us. Doc has already mentioned them, and I'd like to add to it. The kits are fiberglass, which are not very good on a daily driver. Also, I've talked to a few people that have had experiences with them, and their kits do not fit out of the box. Between the preparation of the kit to paint, and fitting, you're looking at an approximate cost of $2000 for a body shop to fit, paint and mount the kit, in addition to the price of the kit.

Add to that the fact that fiberglass will crack with even the slightest hit, and you're looking at mucho bucks in repair and maintenance costs.

I'd much rather see a urethane kit, from a company that commits to their prices. Doc, myself and others will be working with the company that Doc mentioned, and will post details as we get them.
 

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Most Fiberglass kits are not something that can be installed "out of the box". Pretty much all of them need prep work. That said, if you think you're going to pay $2000 to have the kit installed, you were most likely mis-informed, or informed by someone that didn't really want to take on that job and just lowballed you on the price.

I deal with a body shop quite frequently that deals with "kits". Painting a whole kit and blending it to the car is about $600.00, and that's a fiberglass kit that needs trimming and a lot of sanding.

For $2000 I can get a car repainted with a stock paint job. My buddy just picked his car up from that same shop and paid $1800.00 for a complete repaint as well as some accident repair.

Fiberglass on a Taurus is awefully unrealistic though. It would be unfortunate to have a lot of people shell out so much money, to end up replacing or repairing parts once a month. And for the guys that drive in the winter...
 

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Wow, at our body shop we start full paint jobs out at $800 or so with minor body work (small dents, dings, and chips) I couldn't see paying almost 2 grand for a paint job. I can get mine done for about $200
 

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It also depends what kind of paint you're getting put on. The painting is cheap... the paint is expensive. Wes used to work for Maco. They sell Sherman Williams, which he says is crap. Yeah, you can get the car repainted cheap, but will the paint last for more then a year?

I'd actually like to get my car repainted eventually. I have a bad scrach in the back and enough small scraches elsewhere to make it worth painting.

-Dan
 

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thats pretty sad fiberglass body kit if u have to spend so much to get work done on it every month... or u people dont know anyhting abotu fiberglass... I dont see corvette's getting work done every month. and since the begining they were fiberglass. so yeah what cheap fiberglass body kits are u people buying.
 

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Originally posted by dant98@Dec 6 2003, 02:28 PM
It also depends what kind of paint you're getting put on. The painting is cheap... the paint is expensive. Wes used to work for Maco. They sell Sherman Williams, which he says is crap. Yeah, you can get the car repainted cheap, but will the paint last for more then a year?

I'd actually like to get my car repainted eventually. I have a bad scrach in the back and enough small scraches elsewhere to make it worth painting.

-Dan
I agree on the Maaco paint. The evidence was my old Cavalier.
Which is probably now a cube. hehe

I'm probably going to get my car painted black sometime, hopefully as soon as next year but whenever I can. I did look into doing the prep work myself to see how much money I can save, and it's not worth it. Same with the body kits... attaching them yourself and then going in for paint often won't save enough unless you are an expert.
 

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Originally posted by BMWevo600@Dec 7 2003, 12:23 AM
thats pretty sad fiberglass body kit if u have to spend so much to get work done on it every month... or u people dont know anyhting abotu fiberglass... I dont see corvette's getting work done every month. and since the begining they were fiberglass. so yeah what cheap fiberglass body kits are u people buying.
A Corvette is a fiberglass composite body panel system. Not a el-cheapo thin fiberglass skin that is designed to be easy to manipulate and install and cheap to manufacture.

There are lots of cars that have fiberglass on them but that is not the same as this stuff.
 

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Ford itself has been using fiberglass for years. Take a look at an aerostar tailgate or an Econoline van hood and you will see. Totally different grade.
 

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Originally posted by Bob Gervais@Dec 6 2003, 12:01 PM
There's a few reasons why I think bodykits.org may not be the best place for us. Doc has already mentioned them, and I'd like to add to it. The kits are fiberglass, which are not very good on a daily driver. Also, I've talked to a few people that have had experiences with them, and their kits do not fit out of the box. Between the preparation of the kit to paint, and fitting, you're looking at an approximate cost of $2000 for a body shop to fit, paint and mount the kit, in addition to the price of the kit.

Add to that the fact that fiberglass will crack with even the slightest hit, and you're looking at mucho bucks in repair and maintenance costs.

I'd much rather see a urethane kit, from a company that commits to their prices. Doc, myself and others will be working with the company that Doc mentioned, and will post details as we get them.
Bob is right on this one body kits.org kits do not fit to well. someone i know that ordered a kit got a rear bumper for a different car. there parts require alot of sanding to get them to line up half decent and with many cheap fiberglass kits when you paint them it will look very wavy. I would say wait to see what happens with the place that DOC is talking to
 

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I am a former school trained mechanic and body repairman. I worked in both fields for a number of years, but not anymore. Now I am just an educated and well trained hobbiest. Also, I was a sales rep. for Sherwin-Williams Paint Company - Automotive Division.

First of all, some of you don't know what you are talking about concerning S-W auto refiniishing materials. Their refinihsing systems are among the best on the market. In fact, S-W used more pigment in their paints than any other paint manufacturer. Secondly, some of you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to what constitutes a quality paint job.

It doesn't matter if you use S-W, Ditzler, DuPont, R-M, House of Kolors, etc. The quality problem lies with the repair facility, the quality of their technicians abilities and the integrity of the business itself. Maaco is a cut rate refinishing shop, just like Econo Bake. The quality of the finished product is in the preparation and finish work. Yes, the materials are expensive, but don't be fooled, body refinishing is LABOR INTENSIVE and it is an ART. There is no comparison between a paint job for $200.00 and one for $2,000.00. The $200.00 paint job is exactly that; It is today's Earl Scheibe - el cheapo! I cringe and get angry every time I see one of the older Maaco TV ads showing a car being spray painted by one of their technicians. He is swinging the spray gun all over the place and very fast. YIKES! Talk about an uneven paint job. If Maaco didn't bake the paint to dry it afterwards and get it to flow, there would be so much dry spray that the paint would be dull and feel like shark skin! $225.00 to $400.00 - what a rip roof! I guess it is good for an everyday driver.

The early, mid-year and later Corvette bodies were made of fibrglass only. As far as the durability of fiberglass, it has proven itself since before 1953. Those Corvettes did not use any composites. Like any final product, the durability is in the quality of the engineers, designers and maufacturers of the final product. The wild card factor is how someone drives their car as to how the 'glass will hold up. There are and have been, of course, cheaply made 'glass products on the market. And they will not hold up as well as a high quality product. But, there are a lot of companies that manufacture high quality 'glass parts that need minimal to no finishing to get a good fit and a good finish.

I have several points here: You only get what you pay for (an old adage); Select a quality shop with highly trained technicians or a quality manufacturer; Do you market research thoroughly and in advance; finally, know what the H... your talking about before shooting off your mouth giving advice or offering opinions.

No apologies. I said as it is.

JD
 

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if u paint the car right the paint will last, if u do the paint too fast and not do it right it will never last, when we had some insurance work on our oldsmobile this last winter after my mom dinged it they had replaced the door skin and fixed the fender and repainted the car and it matched exactly, also its good to know the person/owner of the bodyshop
 
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