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SHOforum link to SFB's

Brian King, a fellow NESHOC member, has an order in for aluminum subframe bushings. These will fit all Generations, and the price is fantastic! Brian is also a great guy to deal with, very trustworthy.


Go to the link above for ordering info and more details.
 

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Will these fit the Gen 4 without having to weld? I really don't want to have to weld brackets to my subframe.
Also, why do you need to weld brackets in anyways?

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This is for the sub-frame bushings, not the sub-frame connectors
They just bolt in, in place of the rubber units between the front sub frame and the main body.

For the sub-frame connectors, there is no flat place at the trailing link area to weld the SFCs at that end.
 
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I know that I should know better. But what exactly do they do? I know it helps handling and all. But how? I guess I just don't understand what a subframe bushing does...
 

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Bob, thanks for the post about the bushings.

Any questions please feel free to contact me by email, IM, PM, or call the phone # listed in my signature.

This is a great deal for bushings and I am not hardley making any money at all from them. I am doing this for members of SHOforum, V8SHO, Super High Output and TCCA.

Out of the 11 sets that are being made 3 are allready paid for. The machine Shop was given the go ahead to make them and they will be ready in two weeks or less. As soon as I recieve them, the people that sent money will get them first.

$75 per set

There will be no set price on shipping, cost will vary depending on location and you will pay exact shipping costs.

After they are shipped I will let you know how much shipping was and you can send another payment.
 
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Originally posted by Adam B.@Feb 3 2004, 11:44 PM
I know that I should know better. But what exactly do they do? I know it helps handling and all. But how? I guess I just don't understand what a subframe bushing does...
Basically Adam, our cars have rubber subframe bushings stock. The rubber allows the subframe some flexibility and movement, and the aluminum bushings take all the movement away. This results in crisper handling, more responsive steering, etc. I'd say with your setup of STB's, SFC's, and the swaybar upgrade, this is the next logical step.


They're easy to put in too.
 
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I won't be able to get it on this group buy.
Maybe the next one
I remember when putting in my front sway bar how crappy my SFBs looked. Also, you have to get an alignment done after you do this correct?
 

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Originally posted by Adam B.@Feb 4 2004, 07:37 AM
I won't be able to get it on this group buy.
Maybe the next one
I remember when putting in my front sway bar how crappy my SFBs looked. Also, you have to get an alignment done after you do this correct?
No need for alignment on the car... however, you may want to see your chiropracter.
 

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Originally posted by SixFoFalcon@Feb 4 2004, 07:06 AM
No need for alignment on the car... however, you may want to see your chiropracter.
That's for sure. It took me forever to get out the four small nuts that hold each of the front SFBs to the subframe. The subframe doesn't drop far enough to get a socket wrench on the nut and there's only room for a very small turn of the end wrench. What would have been good was one of those ratcheting end wrenches (which I subsequently bought
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This still doesn't explain why I have to weld subframe brackets into my Gen 4. Why am I not able to just replace the stock rubber bushing with the aluminum? Aren't there just bolts hold the subframe up to the frame? What's the deal?

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Originally posted by mobiuslogic@Feb 4 2004, 01:06 PM
This still doesn't explain why I have to weld subframe brackets into my Gen 4.  Why am I not able to just replace the stock rubber bushing with the aluminum?  Aren't there just bolts hold the subframe up to the frame?  What's the deal?

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There are two different sub-frame modifications. The sub-frame bushings do not require any welding. The sub-frame connectors require a bracket on Gen 3 and 4 cars.
 

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Just a quick update,

4 sets have been paid for 7 more to go.

I would also like to pass on additional savings, are you ready for this:

Anyone that takes their car to NESS, King Automotive, Anonda Motor Sports, or has any work done by Kirk on their vehicle including a camfest and wants to buy the bushings at the same time (you have to have work performed at the same time) I will include an additional discount of $10

Thats right Boys and Girls that means you will pay $65.00 for a set

Any questions regarding this should be directed to Fred, Kirk Bob Gervais or myself......
 

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Originally posted by SableOHC@Feb 4 2004, 02:29 PM
There are two different sub-frame modifications. The sub-frame bushings do not require any welding. The sub-frame connectors require a bracket on Gen 3 and 4 cars.
Well can I just put in the sub-frame bushings and forget the connectors or do I need the connectors because I have a gen 4? What's the difference between the subframe modifications? Jeez, this is getting aggravating.

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Originally posted by mobiuslogic+Feb 5 2004, 01:46 PM-->QUOTE (mobiuslogic @ Feb 5 2004, 01:46 PM)
<!--QuoteBegin-SableOHC
@Feb 4 2004, 02:29 PM
There are two different sub-frame modifications. The sub-frame bushings do not require any welding. The sub-frame connectors require a bracket on Gen 3 and 4 cars.
Well can I just put in the sub-frame bushings and forget the connectors or do I need the connectors because I have a gen 4? What's the difference between the subframe modifications? Jeez, this is getting aggravating.

-mobiuslogic[/b]
First off, the subframe is the portion of the car that the engine, transaxle, and front suspension are connected to. The subframe is held to the unibody with 4 bushings and 4 bolts. These bushings are soft to dampen vibration and give a comfortable ride. Replacing the bushings with solid aluminum ones will keep the subframe from moving in relation to the car. Thus, the steering is more crisp, and the engine and trans don't move as much in relation to the car. The aluminum bushings will translate more vibration and shock into the car though. Flatlanders (read "Midwesterners") won't notice any change in ride harshness, but if you regularly encounter pot-holes or rough terrain, you will feel a difference.

Subframe connectors are long steel square tubes that are welded to the subframe and connect it to the unibody near the rear suspension. This keeps the car from flexing in the middle and makes a stiff connection between the front and rear suspension.
 

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Originally posted by mobiuslogic+Feb 5 2004, 12:46 PM-->QUOTE (mobiuslogic @ Feb 5 2004, 12:46 PM)
<!--QuoteBegin-SableOHC
@Feb 4 2004, 02:29 PM
There are two different sub-frame modifications. The sub-frame bushings do not require any welding. The sub-frame connectors require a bracket on Gen 3 and 4 cars.
Well can I just put in the sub-frame bushings and forget the connectors or do I need the connectors because I have a gen 4? What's the difference between the subframe modifications? Jeez, this is getting aggravating.

-mobiuslogic[/b]
They are completely different modifications. You can do either, or both (or neither
) You can do either one first.

The subframe bushings are a modification to the front subframe. It stiffens the connection between the front subframe and the main frame. It improves steering responsiveness by forcing the front subframe and chassis to respond together more quickly.

The subframe connectors are a modification to the rear subframe. They strengthen the connection between the rear subframe and the main frame. It will prevent the frame from twisting independently of the rear suspension. The effect is not as great on Gen3/4 as Gen1/2 because the unibody frame was stiffened beginning with Gen3.

I have the aluminum bushings on my Gen3, but not the connectors. This is because I could put bushings in myself, but my welding skills are poor. I have a set of connectors on order from Anonda Motorsports for eventual installation. I bought the bushings from SHO Nut Performance.

Note that my knowledge about both of these modifications comes from reading this forum and the SHO Forum, not from my limited pre-existing automotive skills. These modifications have both been covered many times in both of those forums
 

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hmm, in NC, near raleigh. RTP actually.
Isnt there any techie TCCA soul out here

I sure do alot of stuff.. but lowring the subframe. nah not my cup of tea
 
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