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Just a thought... but a part of the Ford Personal Safety System is designed to decide whether the air bag needs to be or should be deployed. That could just be a part of this system acting as it should. There are situations where the airbag could do more harm than good and if I understand the Personal Safety System correctly, it is supposed to help address that issue. Since it's just a law firm starting that site, I'm willing to bet (and hope) that this amounts to nothing and that they are just jumping to conclusions with insufficient information, etc.
 
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However it could be a bug in the code, who knows...but that webpage seems to lack several important facts which would determine whether or not this is a valid case.
 

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Yeah that website seems sketchy at best. In fact if you look under the front seats close to the inner console you'll see a black plastic bar under each one. They are there to detect exactly how much force is being put onto each seat. In fact it's even consievable while in a turn and a head on collision that the person on the inside of the turning radius would have their air bag go off if the impact was on that side of the turn while the person on the outside's bag did not go off. The person on the inside of the turn would have more frontal force directed at them, setting off their airbag while the other person would have just enough lateral accelartion (because they are spinning) that it would not set the air bag off to avoid unneeded trauma to the other person. Or they may be tied together in that both must fire in order to set off the air bags.

Most likely though is that Ford will clearly show that it's a computer. And if it needs AT LEAST (key word at least) 2Gs of forward acceleration to set off the airbags and the system only registers 1.9999999Gs, then it won't set the bags off. Now granted that's over exagerating it a little bit, but you get the idea. The computer is defined in pure math, it doesn't have the ability to "think" and decide if it's a good time for the air bags to fire. Either the sensors say "DEPLOY!" or they don't. And yeah, unfortunately that 0.00000001G difference may be just enough for you get your own personal "OWN3D" pic and a big bummer of a game over.
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Originally posted by mobiuslogic@Jan 27 2004, 02:21 AM
Yeah that website seems sketchy at best. In fact if you look under the front seats close to the inner console you'll see a black plastic bar under each one. They are there to detect exactly how much force is being put onto each seat. In fact it's even consievable while in a turn and a head on collision that the person on the inside of the turning radius would have their air bag go off if the impact was on that side of the turn while the person on the outside's bag did not go off. The person on the inside of the turn would have more frontal force directed at them, setting off their airbag while the other person would have just enough lateral accelartion (because they are spinning) that it would not set the air bag off to avoid unneeded trauma to the other person. Or they may be tied together in that both must fire in order to set off the air bags.

Most likely though is that Ford will clearly show that it's a computer. And if it needs AT LEAST (key word at least) 2Gs of forward acceleration to set off the airbags and the system only registers 1.9999999Gs, then it won't set the bags off. Now granted that's over exagerating it a little bit, but you get the idea. The computer is defined in pure math, it doesn't have the ability to "think" and decide if it's a good time for the air bags to fire. Either the sensors say "DEPLOY!" or they don't. And yeah, unfortunately that 0.00000001G difference may be just enough for you get your own personal "OWN3D" pic and a big bummer of a game over.
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you always have to type some sorta of math into each post dont ya?

anyways...that would be scarey to have that kind of damage and no air bag going off... i dont see how the air bag wouldnt go off w/ that kind of damage...
 
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The thing is, they never said whether the air bags went off or not when the car in the picture wrecked.
It's all a subliminal game with lawyers.
 

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you always have to type some sorta of math into each post dont ya?[/b]
Yeah, I found out early on that I don't really have anything of a right brain. It's all left brain with me.


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The thing is, they never said whether the air bags went off or not when the car in the picture wrecked.[/b]

Check out the second picture on their homepage. You can see the passenger's side isn't out and although you can only see the top corner of the air bag, you can see the Ford oval and that the steering wheel center is in 1 piece.

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I'd like to thank those people for driving the resale value down the s***ter even more than it already is. It'll make my Gen 4 purchase cheaper.
 

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Originally posted by mobiuslogic@Jan 27 2004, 02:06 PM
Yeah, I found out early on that I don't really have anything of a right brain. It's all left brain with me.
and thats still questionable
 

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Bob,
Glad to see Anonda finally decided on a Gen 4....


Or is this a purchase your looking at for you?
 

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On the gen3/4(maybe) the airbag module is in the front of the console on the floor for floorshift, and probably under the seats for column. On my Impala it is located under the pass front seat. I had the Taurus one out and it has a little metal ball inside that rattles, when there is enough force it should make contact with certain pins which set off the bags.

The thing is, I saw a picture of a 2000 Impala that hit a light pole head on HARD and the air bags did not go off, the guy complained to GM about it but was told that the system acted normally. Dont know the details but if the accelerometer doesnt detect enough force it wont fire.

The reason that they dont always fire is for YOUR protection. That guy could have been taking a hard right turn and lost control going a bit sideways, its NOT the same as going straight for a pole/tree.

THERE IS NO GOOD REPLACEMENT FOR SEATBELTS!!!!! A lot of people put all their trust in air bags nowadays, but I've seen plenty of reports of being being injured or killed by them.


BTW I'm pretty sure that the gen3/4 dont have any actual sensors on the front end, only the control box inside the car mounted on the floor. There was one sensor by the middle of the radiator that might be related but I never figured it out, and it mounted with a regular push clip. And yeah, I had the whole car harness lying on my driveway lol, good times lol
 

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Dude, that's exactly what I said. The sensors are mounted under the seats because the system doesn't give a sh!t about the car, but rather the force exerted on the passengers. In fact I even used the example of being in a turn imparting lateral force on the acclerometers and decreasing forward force. And I'm pretty sure that even on the floor shift they are under the seats for the same reason.

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Originally posted by sfblacksel@Jan 27 2004, 11:18 PM
Bob,
Glad to see Anonda finally decided on a Gen 4....


Or is this a purchase your looking at for you?
Just a future plan. The 97 is running better than it ever has, so we'll most likely keep that for a while longer. I'd like to live payment free for a few months.
 
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