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My car was 2004 Sable 12V with AX4D ATF. It has 10,4000 miles on it.

This noon I drove it on I-10 to see a friend 60 miles away. Speed is ~75mph.
When I have driven about 40 miles, suddenly I noticed the
rpm of the engine went up from ~2800 to over 4000, and
the speed dropped a little bit. I involuntarily press the gas pedal,
but the rpm rocketed to almost 6000, yet the car speed further dropped.
I realized it may be a transmission issue, and release the gas pedal,
hoping it may help to relieve a hang-up shift. The speed was
further reduced to below 40mph. I tried to switch from 'D' to '2'
and '1'. No good luck yet. There is no warning lights on the
panel by the way.

I was so embarassed when this happened, since I was just on the
long bridge across the big swamp west of baton rouge, Louisiana.
It's really the worst situation in the worst scenario, and there is
no place to even park it. Fortunately, I found there is an exit
about 1.5 miles ahead. The car barely reached the exit and
it almost made a complete stop. I had to switch to "N" to
allow the car to slide along the exit. A 10-wheeler behind me
honked desperately .

This car is only 5 yrs new and I cannot image this transmission
is so weak. Also I heard the newer version AX4D is much more
reliable than its predecessor AX4S.

The car stayed there for the whole afternoon, and when I came back
to it and push into the gear, there is no response at all, no matter it is
in 'R', 'D', '2', or '1'. It feels that the transmission is dead.

I need to tow it to a professional and reliable transmission shop
to get it fixed, but I don't want to be cheated. I know that transmission
service is a big job and the charge is dependent partially on the
labor hours and partially on the conscience of the mechanic.

Also from what I described above, what internal part may fail
in this situation? I got it in Oct, 2006 at 89,000 miles and haven't
replaced the ATF fluid ever since. I checked the fluid today in the parking lot.
The color is good (reddish pink) and the level is normal. There is no
burning smell neither. I know that the ATF fluid overheating is a
notorious issue in this transmission, and a lot of taurus/sable
owners installed external cooler. I started to think to replace
Mobil #1 mercon V ATF fluid a year ago, and planning to do it
this summer. So bad luck today.
 

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Sounds like torque converter is done for (based on what you said). No warning lights at all on the dash?

BTW, you have the AX4N transmission not the AX4D :)
 

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QUOTE (Bull Geek @ Apr 26 2009, 01:39 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=720638
Sounds like torque converter is done for (based on what you said). No warning lights at all on the dash?

BTW, you have the AX4N transmission not the AX4D :)[/b]
+1, or the Pump/Pump shaft went out.
 

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thank you for correcting me.

There are no warning lights on the dash.
what part in the torque converter is the weak point?

I called the AAA towing service this afternoon. The driver checked
the ATF fluid, and told me it has a burning smell, even if the color still
looks good.

How much would be the cost if it is the torque converter?
I was told by the AAA driver that this could be a $3000+ job.

By the way, do you think AAMCO will be a good choice
in this repair? I dont' want to be wildly charged by those
irresponsible mechanics.

QUOTE (Bull Geek @ Apr 26 2009, 01:39 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=720638
Sounds like torque converter is done for (based on what you said). No warning lights at all on the dash?

BTW, you have the AX4N transmission not the AX4D :)[/b]
 

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Actually this car has a rough shift since I bought it 3 yrs ago.
In warm weathers, it feels smoother. But in cold or hot days,
the shift is somewhat rough. After you drive for about 20 mins,
and parked it for 2~3 hours, it feels much smoother.

During my driving yesterday (a 90F weather), I want to see
if I can reach a speed of 90mph. Then I floored the gas (90% floored,
last for ~4 seconds) and the engine roared to 5000rpm, the speed
slowed ramped up to 85mph. I relieved the gas pedal after that.
I felt that the acceleration didn't catch up very well. Maybe this
sudden acceleration caused the fluid to overheat and eventaully
worsen the existing transmission problem.

QUOTE (dark_fire @ Apr 26 2009, 11:50 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=720726
QUOTE (Bull Geek @ Apr 26 2009, 01:39 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=720638
Sounds like torque converter is done for (based on what you said). No warning lights at all on the dash?

BTW, you have the AX4N transmission not the AX4D :)[/b]
+1, or the Pump/Pump shaft went out.
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QUOTE (2004 Sable GS OHV 95k @ Apr 26 2009, 08:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=720892
By the way, do you think AAMCO will be a good choice
in this repair? I dont' want to be wildly charged by those
irresponsible mechanics.[/b]
Do not use AAMCO. Find a local transmission shop with some history in your area and is BBB accredited.


QUOTE (2004 Sable GS OHV 95k @ Apr 26 2009, 08:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=720893
what does this mean?

QUOTE (fisher @ Apr 26 2009, 02:05 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=720766
4 Taurus + 3 transmissions = Japanesse Car[/b]
[/b][/quote]

He means that after owning 4 Taurus with 3 trans failures it's time to buy a Japanese car.
 

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If it were my car. I would install a good rebuilt trans and a new converter. I would flush the tranny lines out and install a large trans cooler. Use synthetic fluid.
If I were on a tighter budget I would search for a good used unit. But I would sill install a new converter and a large cooler.
 

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before i got my send taurus i had a 1997 camry it ate trasnmissions for lunch all covered by warrenty luckly went through tranny every 2 years
 

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My wife and I spent hours trying to find a Camry that didn't fall into...

The Years the Engine Sludged Itself to Death, 8/96-8/02
The Years the $750 Power Seat Motor Didn't Burn Up, 03-... maybe they still do
The Years the Transmission Failed or Shifted Like Crap - uncertain... 2000, definitely 2007, 2008

I finally decided to stick with the devil I knew -- and, surprise, my wife actually fell it love with our new-to-us 04 and was a major force in our buying it.
 

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It's a 2004 and you bought it in 2006 with 89,000 miles on it? That's nearly 45,000 miles a year. That's 3.75 times the national average per year. I'd say that engine and transmission has had alot of wear put on them in such a short period of time. More than likely it hasn't had it's regular maintenance with the previous owner driving it that much.
My guess is the torque converter finally went after lack of maintenance. These Taurus transmissions are fragile and you have to take care of them with regular fluid changes and clean filters.
Good luck with the car though, hope you get it fixed.
 

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I'm betting the previous owner never changed the fluid. The car should have been flushed at least three times in its life by that mileage.
 

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Thank you. I think I finally come to this point after owning a 95 Ford Contour and a 2004 Mercury Sable.
QUOTE (Qwertz9586 @ Apr 28 2009, 01:08 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=721196
QUOTE (2004 Sable GS OHV 95k @ Apr 26 2009, 08:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=720892
By the way, do you think AAMCO will be a good choice
in this repair? I dont' want to be wildly charged by those
irresponsible mechanics.[/b]
Do not use AAMCO. Find a local transmission shop with some history in your area and is BBB accredited.


QUOTE (2004 Sable GS OHV 95k @ Apr 26 2009, 08:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=720893
what does this mean?


QUOTE (fisher @ Apr 26 2009, 02:05 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=720766
4 Taurus + 3 transmissions = Japanesse Car[/b]
[/b][/quote]

He means that after owning 4 Taurus with 3 trans failures it's time to buy a Japanese car.
[/b][/quote]
 

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It has a lease history. I don't how frequent the ex-owner maintained this car.
I assume that this car has been pretty much abused. Then it was dumped at a
low price of $5500 when I got it in 2006.

QUOTE (Skinnyguy59 @ Apr 28 2009, 04:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=721403
It's a 2004 and you bought it in 2006 with 89,000 miles on it? That's nearly 45,000 miles a year. That's 3.75 times the national average per year. I'd say that engine and transmission has had alot of wear put on them in such a short period of time. More than likely it hasn't had it's regular maintenance with the previous owner driving it that much.
My guess is the torque converter finally went after lack of maintenance. These Taurus transmissions are fragile and you have to take care of them with regular fluid changes and clean filters.
Good luck with the car though, hope you get it fixed.[/b]
 

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I have regretted to bring my car to AAMCO this afternoon.

Actually all transmissin mechanics do the same thing: they would not give
you a quote on the phone, thus you have no idea you're going to spend in this repair.

They first asked you to bring your car in and give you a FREE disgnostics.
Actually this FREE diagnostics is NOTHING!! The AAMCO person just spent
5 mins on it and tell me it definitely has a internal damage. But as for what specific
damage it could be, they told you that you have to pay $500 to have it torn down.
Then the total charge would be $500 + parts + labor , which usually runs up to
$1800~$2200. I noticed they didn't even run the computer scanning and asked
them to do it. It turned out there is no error code out of it.
 

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If I order a torque converter online, how hard it would be to replace it by myself?
Can I just remove the fluid pan? or have to pull the whole transmission out? to
get access to the whole torque converter.

I don't have a electronic jack like the professional one in the shop to raise the car.
How hard would it be if I work under the car with a hand jack and jack stand?

QUOTE (Blacksable @ Apr 28 2009, 02:36 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=721369
If it were my car. I would install a good rebuilt trans and a new converter. I would flush the tranny lines out and install a large trans cooler. Use synthetic fluid.
If I were on a tighter budget I would search for a good used unit. But I would sill install a new converter and a large cooler.[/b]
 

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Here are two options I looked into previously.

My Ford dealer will charge me $1800 for a remanufactured AX4N, plus $800 labor to install it. 5 year/100K warranty.

My independent will charge me $2100 for a Jasper AX4N, plus whatever labor is. 3 year/100K warranty
 

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Yesterday I just found from RockAuto.com that a brand new auto-transmission
costs only $1711 (the brand name is Marshall). Is it a reliable one?

How can stealers make profit even from parts?

QUOTE (Bull Geek @ Apr 28 2009, 09:57 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=721488
Here are two options I looked into previously.

My Ford dealer will charge me $1800 for a remanufactured AX4N, plus $800 labor to install it. 5 year/100K warranty.

My independent will charge me $2100 for a Jasper AX4N, plus whatever labor is. 3 year/100K warranty[/b]
 

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I've never personally heard of them...but I would think if you intend on keeping the car another 3-5 years, I would stick to better known brands...such as RoadMaster Transmission, Jasper Engines & Transmissions, ...and I guess Ford as well. You probably would like having a nice, longer warranty on the item as well considering the cost of it.
 
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