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post #21 of 46 (permalink) Old 05-06-2005, 08:02 PM
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Burt, you've brought new light to the subject. This is a good thing, because as JR has said, it's been discussed over and over, but nobody has done anything about it. Why? Because most of the people that discussed it (and don't take this offensively people!) are younger guys that don't have the time, resources, knowledge of the subject, or fabrication skills. Many have not understood that just because you can have a custom y-pipe made with a turbo mount, and slap something together, that it may not work all that well.

Now, here's what I propose, based on your ideas Burt:

-We put together a team of people who are knowledgable areas we need them to be in. Off the top of my head:

-Fabricator (I volunteer)
-Turbo knowledgable person (or someone willing to do the research)
-Donor car (I don't have a Duratec)
-Tuner (Doug Lewis, at Ford Performance Specialists in GA, comes to mind)
-A group of people willing to invest the cash required on the donor car


With this team, I think that we can accomplish great things. I know the knowledge base exists on this site, we just need to corral all the people together. I also know of a wrecked Duratec that may make a good donor car for this project. It's totalled, and a front end hit, but it will work for purposes of fabricating parts up.

Here's a list of things that come to mind that we'd need to do:

-Relocate the battery to the trunk to gain the space needed for the turbo/piping

-Figure out what type/size of turbo we'd need (anyone have any ideas?). IMO, max boost with a stock Duratec should be limited to around 6 PSI. Perhaps we could eventually go a little higher, using water induction to cool the intake charge and keep combustion chamber temperatures sane.

-Fabricate a new y-pipe, or modify the existing one, to accept a turbo mounting plate. I can handle this, as long as we have a donor car that can sit at my place for the time it takes to get this done. I would plan on at least 6 months, since my time is so limited at the garage.

-Figure out what size injectors we'd need to run

-Figure out if the stock fuel pump is going to need to be upgraded

-Find someone that's willing to do the tuning on whatever car this ends up on. As I said, the donor car I have in mind is totalled, so we could make the system on that car, then bolt it onto a good car. Hopefully we don't blow stuff up.



When it comes down to it, if we're armed with the information we need, it's a relatively easy thing to do. I make stuff fit onto stuff that it was never intended to at work all the time, this is no different.

So, I'm throwing down the challenge. I'm sick of hearing about how nobody ever tries this. It's because whomever wants to try it is not getting the support they need. Let's give it to them!
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I can provide 1-3, maybe even 4 if someone can come up with number 5.

Research is done, planning is done, I got the car, I can fab a little and i have access to bob....so come up with the $$$

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I will be #6 which is the person who jacks the knowledge of y'all and makes my own duplicate system at a fraction of the cost.


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I'm not talking about something we'd sell. I'm talking about getting off our asses and actually doing something besides chips, cone filters, and mufflers. Here's another way to look at it:

Before a car should go fast, it should handle, and stop well. We've got both covered, with swaybars, STB's, rear disc brake conversions, SHO (and 13") front brake kits, etc. We can handle, we can stop. Now all we need is the power to need all that junk. Here's where this project comes in.

So Brad has the donor car, and other various components we may need. Now we need to pony up for a turbo, piping, oil lines, etc. Brad tells me this stuff can be had for about $1k. That'll get us through phase one of the project: actually getting the turbo installed on the car. Phase two will be getting it to run correctly.

I'm trying to think of ways that whomever helps with teaming up for funding will benefit. I'll offer the fabrication part of it free of charge to compensate. That said, it looks to me like this could be done and a fine running example of a turbo'd car for at or a little under $2k. Not bad, considering most turbo or SC kits for popular cars go for about $3k or above.
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The Duratec is not too hard to supercharge, it just had to get hard in the Taurus. i.e. the Kenne Bell kit for the Escape... relies on hood clearance to slam that big roots blower on there. A centrifugal SC (which is an idea I was toying with for a while) involves either running a jackshaft from the belt side to the intake side or running the intake from the left out hte front of the engine to the right...both requiring relocation of the fuse panel and the battery.

So you guys are headed in the right direction w/the turbo.

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May I add a suggestion? If you do end up creating piping and such, use a jig or write down the final mandrel bend °'s so this can be duplicated later on. There is literally no reason this can't be done.

Also, may want to research Noble and Morgan car companies, both use boosted Duratecs in their cars.

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Wow ! Great thread running here, and I will watch it intensely ! It's hard to believe nobody ever came up with a blower or turbo kit for the 3.0 Duratec with all those Taurii out there. And now hords of Five Hundreds are hitting the streets that have the same engine but with even more weight to pull around. A little forced induction for the 3.0 Tec might be just what the doctor ordered !

I know we are talking about a turbo in this thread, but it's really too bad Ford didn't go ahead with the Taurus Supercharger concept back in 2000 (picture attached). http://www.stangnet.com/sema/ Who knows where the Taurus could have wound up. Being a Gen 2 SHO owner, I felt we really needed a performance version of the Taurus for the new century
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Great post!
It seems to me that the work on a super charged Taurus was done - SEMA 99 and maybe someone could find out who did that project and obtain the project notes or whatever. Could save a tremendous amount of effort, time and money.
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People have been trying to find out the information about that car for years. Ford does not even acknowledge that it was ever built.

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not sure if this helps... but i did some reading and looking around and came across a few cougar/contour sites that mention the 3.0l duratec. apparently its pretty popular to do 3.0l swaps...

i found a few links to 3.0l kits for cougars, but sense its the same engine it should work right?

http://www.3lduratec.com/supercharger.html

"Vortech did make a centrifugal supercharger kit, but is now discontinued."

"Nautilus is currently developing a supercharger kit." www.nautilusperformance.com

the following two links are from a guy that did a 3.0l swap and is turbo-ing it... learn from others
http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat...rt=all&vc=1
http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat...;o=&fpart=1

hope there is some useful information in there


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