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post #21 of 36 (permalink) Old 04-11-2019, 08:32 AM
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Valve seals not too difficult to replace. They usually do not cause too much oil use like rings. Smoke on startup will not be burned off by cats until they get hot.
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Valve seals usually will give a puff of blue smoke when foot is lifted from gas pedal.



Something is strange about that car! Blue smoke out of the tailpipe at 120k miles is totally unusual. Cats that aren't plugged but yet don't get hot enough to burn a little of oil vapor. Maybe it is just water vapor.

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Valve seals usually will give a puff of blue smoke when foot is lifted from gas pedal.



Something is strange about that car! Blue smoke out of the tailpipe at 120k miles is totally unusual. Cats that aren't plugged but yet don't get hot enough to burn a little of oil vapor. Maybe it is just water vapor.
Pic of what plugs look like with valve seal leaking. Oil leaks down when shut down for a period. That burns off when started. Also leak when coasting. (high vacuum) Deposits on plugs but not oil foul. Burns clean when under power.
Rings burn oil under power and the plugs will be oily, black, and crusty.


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I cannot thank all of you enough for your replies, and for helping me.



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Pic of what plugs look like with valve seal leaking. Oil leaks down when shut down for a period.

That burns off when started. Also leak when coasting. (high vacuum) Deposits on plugs but not oil foul. Burns clean when under power.
Rings burn oil under power and the plugs will be oily, black, and crusty.

I plan on checking the spark plugs, as I don't have the ability to do a compression test to rule out piston rings.
If I check the spark plugs, I'm assuming if it's piston rings it will be only one oily black spark plug as the cylinders don't fluids, but if it's a bad valve seal, will more than 1 spark plug be greyish? Or will I have to pull all of the spark plugs to see?
And since I plan on checking the spark plugs, will there be any difficulties doing that? People say some V6s are difficult to access, and that I may have to remove the intake manifold to access the spark plug holes. I'm hoping to make this as easy as possible obviously, but not at the expense of missing any problems.
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I wouldn't put too much time or money into it...find a better one.
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I cannot thank all of you enough for your replies, and for helping me.






I plan on checking the spark plugs, as I don't have the ability to do a compression test to rule out piston rings.
If I check the spark plugs, I'm assuming if it's piston rings it will be only one oily black spark plug as the cylinders don't fluids, but if it's a bad valve seal, will more than 1 spark plug be greyish? Or will I have to pull all of the spark plugs to see?
And since I plan on checking the spark plugs, will there be any difficulties doing that? People say some V6s are difficult to access, and that I may have to remove the intake manifold to access the spark plug holes. I'm hoping to make this as easy as possible obviously, but not at the expense of missing any problems.

Oil burning and compression are not always the same. Lots of issues with posters here with compression. Few with oil burning.


I have had 3 cases of valve seals failing. Two on pre cat cars ('72 and earlier) They smoked when coasting and then accelerate. With cat car, big puff on starting, otherwise no issue except for plug foul as in the pic.
My experience, all seals go at one time.


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Thank you all again and again for replying.


I looked online and made a list of every part I can think of that I needed from Pick and Pull. In total, the parts will cost me about 160-ish dollars, and I made sure to overestimate just so I don't walk in there without enough money, so in reality it'll most likely cost me about 150 dollars in total. I want to make sure that it's just valve seals and not piston rings before I invest into it, as realistically I don't see myself getting an engine rebuild.


Otherwise if all goes well I can and fully intend to get this car back into good shape with a little bit of time and money.
I still have a couple questions that I'll ask when they need to be asked, and my intent is to start work in a week-ish, and I'll make a visit (or several) to pick and pull to get the parts I need.
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^ You should be able to access all spark plugs without removing the uim on a Vulcan.
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Vulcan plugs can be easily done without removing anything. Firewall bank center and pass side plugs need to be done somewhat by feel, but it is still really easy for a FWD V6 engine.

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Remove your wiper cowl for easy access on the Vulcan. Just did mine last month. Makes it very easy. No need to remove intake manifold.
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