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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 04-02-2019, 06:10 AM Thread Starter
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Need help with labour esitmates for large job

Next year my car is going to have over 300,000 KM's on it. Up here, that is basically mileaged out and you don't normally buy a vehicle with this many KM's on it. I plan on keeping my car for quite a while. I only put on roughly 10-12,000 K's per year, I would say about 3/4 of that is in medium stop/go traffic. As such I plan on saving up this year and then next year having replaced a whole bunch of stuff to keep the car running in tip-top shape and because things to do wear and get tired. I will be buying basically everything thru rockauto as it is cheaper to buy it through them and have it shipped to me than it is to buy the parts locally (I live in Canada). The car is a 1997 Ford Taurus with 3.0L Vulcan engine. Gets around 18-20 MPG normal day to day driving and up to 28 MPG straight highway. All the parts including shipping is approx C$4,000



Now since I don't have a garage or the proper tools to be doing the work, I will be getting a shop, probably the dealership where my dad works, to do the work for me. What would be a good estimate of cost? Looks like shop rate here is about $125+ per hour.


Here is the list of what I am buying to have replaced, whether it needs it or not. I have oil down the side of the engine so wanting to fix it. Yes I am crazy, but figure just do it. If I am going to have something open, then replace parts while I am in there, especially given the mileage.



-> Both headlights
-> Trunk lock
-> Full front and rear brakes (calipers/rotor's/pads)
-> Front and rear bearings & hubs
-> Full front and rear suspension with Monroe quick struts, stabilizer bar link

-> Timing cover/timing set/water pump/thermostat/all gaskets
-> Oil pan gasket/oil pan/tranny pan (getting one with a drain plug)
-> Oil pump/oil pump inter shaft
-> Valve cover gasket
-> EGR Valve/line/control solenoid
-> All 4 O2 sensors
-> PCV Valve, Fuel pressure regulator, All 6 fuel injectors
-> Spark plug wires, spark plugs, ignition coil
-> IAC, throttle position sensor
-> Fuel filler neck


I also want to replace all 4 brake dust shields, but rockauto didn't have a listing for them, I also want to replace all the bushings front to back. I was going to replace the complete tension strut but again rockauto didn't have a listing. All probably the rear brake lines to replaced as they are starting to look pretty rusty.


Also, when I was having the transmission service done this year I noticed a filter along the frame rail near it. What is this part and where would I find it so I can have it replaced as it is probably original? I have included a picture of this part.
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post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old 04-02-2019, 07:23 AM
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If a dealer is doing the work I would say to double the material costs from Rock Auto and use that as labor costs. So $12,000 C to do what you want. I know that the TC gasket replacement is all labor and almost no material and in US can cost $$800+ at a dealer. Brake lines are similar labor/material except if they source pre bent lines which are expensive. I think you may find that if you don't do the work yourself it will be too expensive to have the work done.


Better do an extensive inspection of the body and rust/rot to make sure it is worth the mechanical investments.

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^ John, in the pic above, that's the ps filter. You can replace it with a Magnefine/Raybestos/ATP ps or atf filter. Part#JX150 (5/16" line) or #JX160 (3/8" line) depending on your line/port size. You probably need the #160 (3/8" line). The original is probably an obsolete and/or expensive AC Delco part#PF-2125.

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why are you putting all this work into a high mileage 1997 Taurus? You can probably get a better used car for what these repairs would cost at a mechanic.
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If you are convinced this is what you want to do, have you checked with the dealership to see if they will even install your parts? I'd be shocked if they went along with that. Same with most individual shops.
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^ John, in the pic above, that's the ps filter. You can replace it with a Magnefine/Raybestos/ATP ps or atf filter. Part#JX150 (5/16" line) or #JX160 (3/8" line) depending on your line/port size. You probably need the #160 (3/8" line). The original is probably an obsolete and/or expensive AC Delco part#PF-2125.

Thank you!

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why are you putting all this work into a high mileage 1997 Taurus? You can probably get a better used car for what these repairs would cost at a mechanic.

Because this car was well looked after by the previous owners, the body is in really good shape and everything works. If the A/C didn't work or it had more problems then I wouldn't bother keeping the car. And I had a look on Kijiji for my area and for C$3000-6000 most of the vehicles are still higher mileage and still need work. And for what I would be looking for, a 4 door sedan in this class, they would basically be getting the roughly the same fuel economy for the driving I do.



I plan on doing the parts next year and then the year after I plan on getting the rust along the lower parts of the fenders replaced and the car repainted. People take and rebuild cars/trucks all the time and so I want to do the same thing with this car. It does everything I need it to. I have owned new vehicles before, up to 2014, and yes they are nice, they still had roughly the same fuel economy, and I honestly don't need all the new electronics and stuff. I drive 15 minutes to work and back and once, maybe twice a year I have a 15 hour round trip drive to BC.


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If you are convinced this is what you want to do, have you checked with the dealership to see if they will even install your parts? I'd be shocked if they went along with that. Same with most individual shops.

All I have to do is talk to my dad as he works at the Ford dealership. And why wouldn't they? It is the same as if they bought the parts, but I can buy parts cheaper elsewhere. I should be able to have a shop install them without any problems.... It's like if I bought a computer and then bought a new video card and took it to a shop to have them install it. They would do it no problem because they are still making money.





If I still had a garage and all my tools then I would take and do the work myself as I could do most of the things I am looking to replace. But I don't have a garage anymore or most of my tools.
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The dealerships usually upcharges the parts considerably to make extra profit. I have seen parts cost twice what you can purchase through RockAuto, therefore, they are losing big money by you bringing your own parts. They also guarantee the work and if you supply parts forget any warranty even if it was a workmanship issue.



How bad is the rust on the lower parts of the fenders? That's bad news, rocker panels cost $3200 US.
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The dealerships usually upcharges the parts considerably to make extra profit. I have seen parts cost twice what you can purchase through RockAuto, therefore, they are losing big money by you bringing your own parts. They also guarantee the work and if you supply parts forget any warranty even if it was a workmanship issue.

How bad is the rust on the lower parts of the fenders? That's bad news, rocker panels cost $3200 US.

I'll try and take some pics tomorrow, but here is one from June last year. I park in a heated parkade at home, only parks outside at work, try and wash it every couple of weeks.


Here are a bunch of photo's I took of the underside of the car when me and my dad where changing the tranny filter and fluid. It was taken in Feb before I had a change to wash it. I do make sure to spray down the underside when I wash the car. Honestly for the age and mileage, this car is in pretty decent shape for Alberta.
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