Intermittent starting issue, probably entire starting system - Taurus Car Club of America : Ford Taurus Forum
Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-07-2014, 01:21 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Chapter: West Coast
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 0
 
Trader Score: 0 reviews
Intermittent starting issue, probably entire starting system

So I have a 3.0 Duratec OHV in my SE. I had an issue with my starter, swapped it out. Then I still had an issue so I called a mechanic. That ended up being a bad idea. I paid $80 for him to tighten up the battery cables and I had to argue for that price. He wanted to charge me $150 and he didn't even use a voltmeter. So now here I am. My car started in the morning after I fought with it for five minutes.

Previous symptoms after new starter:
If I hold the key to ignite, it clicks intermittently and eventually it starts to crank. That's if it works.

If I am cold, it will have a LOT of trouble starting. I have to keep it clicking for a long time before it cranks. Once it cranks, it only needs to crank once or twice and she's off.

My yellow flag should be the battery symbol in the car. But it seems like no matter what I do I always have this light.

When warm, the car started fine, until today.

Now it still gives me **** cold. Like it will NOT start cold and I have to really fight with it.

After clicking for like 5 minutes it eventually gets going.

But now, it won't even start when hot. I just came back inside my work building after being outside for 10 minutes. It started twice in 10 minutes after repeated attempts, holding the key. Some times if I press the brake REALLY hard, it'll fire right up. But even warm it won't start right away. Now it won't start at all.

I think it's the battery but I don't have a voltmeter. None of the headlights are dim but now the windows are a LITTLE slow on battery alone.

The thing is, I also feel like it's the battery cables. I'm truly sick of this car. My friend has a Corolla with 170000 miles, 10 years older than mine, runs like a dream and has only needed a timing belt and general maintenance.

My car has had the doomed brake booster failure (which is a ROYAL pain in the butt to remove. Ford engineers need to be fired for how they designed the layout of the engine), also had an IACV which I replaced with a crappy after market part that means I can't run AC in town anymore or it'll stall. Then the starter, now this. This car was built to fall apart and I hate when people say "well it's a fleet vehicle" like that's somehow justification for this car falling apart. How? There's plenty of other fleet vehicles which are built to last.
Essenar is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-07-2014, 01:32 PM
Play Nice or Don't Play

 
jag1959's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Chapter: Northeast
Year: 1998
Model: Ford Taurus SHO
Engine: 3.4L Yamaha V8
Posts: 14,703
Rep Power: 120
       
Trader Score: 0 reviews
The Tec is a DOHC not an OHV so it may help in the future to clarify what you have. Your description indicates most of the hallmarks of a bad battery. Getting it load tested is the place to begin.

It's SHO time!


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jag1959 is offline  
post #3 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-07-2014, 02:15 PM
Technical Advisor
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Chapter: Midwest
Year: 2005
Model: Ford Taurus
Engine: 3.0L 24v Duratec V6
Posts: 7,512
Rep Power: 86
     
Trader Score: 0 reviews
I agree 100% with Mark...... Bad battery.

05 Taurus SEL Duratec - my daily driver
04 Taurus SES Duratec - wifes car - TOTALED
06 Taurus SE Vulcan - wifes new ride
95 Taurus GL Vulcan winter car
Toy #1 - 86 Tbird 5.0 (original owner) - LOTS of mods
Toy #2 - 88 Tbird Turbo Coupe - LOTS of mods
67 Honda 450 Super Sport - completely customized
Jeff K is offline  
 
post #4 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-07-2014, 06:48 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Peterborough, Ontario, Canada
Chapter: Eastern Canada
Posts: 284
Rep Power: 18
 
Trader Score: 0 reviews
buy a Motorcraft IAC and it should stop stalling with the a/c on.
ellmarsh420 is offline  
post #5 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-07-2014, 08:15 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Sarasota.Fl
Chapter: Southern
Posts: 166
Rep Power: 13
 
Trader Score: 0 reviews
Have the battery checked, If bad replace. I would also replace bat (+) (-) cable, It sounds like that mechanic was a hack..
galan747 is offline  
post #6 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-07-2014, 10:40 PM
Devoted Member
 
Tom S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Denver
Chapter: Midwest
Year: mult
Model: Ford Taurus
Engine: 3.0L 12v Vulcan V6
Posts: 1,801
Rep Power: 17
 
Trader Score: 0 reviews
Bad battery or cables connections with high resistance.

2006 Vulcan 64k GF daily driver
2003 Vulcan 92k My daily driver
2000 Vulcan 115k saved from the scrap yard
1991 3.8 207k drove to junk yard, 1988 Vulcan lost in divorce
2009 Impala 3.0 18k my nice car
1996 F250 Powerstroke my toy-pristine lots of mods
Tom S is offline  
post #7 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-08-2014, 01:18 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Chapter: West Coast
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 0
 
Trader Score: 0 reviews
^That's what I'm thinking at this point. My friend tried to jump me, no go. I played with the cables for a few seconds after 20 minutes of trying to jump and it fired up QUICK. Zero problems.

Then I got home (after stopping at Autozone and buying cables) and now it won't start again. I replaced the cables but it's still not going.

Can anyone post a picture of the starter and how the cables look? I'm wondering if I didn't connect the starter properly. Also, which would cause all the electronics to come on but the starter not to go? Bad (+) cable between battery and starter, bad (+) cable between battery and fuse box, bad ground between battery and chassis or bad ignition cable between harness and starter?

I'm feeling like it's either of the bold ones. How would I force it to start with the battery directly to the starter? Which post on the starter do I touch?
Essenar is offline  
post #8 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-08-2014, 01:46 PM
Play Nice or Don't Play

 
jag1959's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Chapter: Northeast
Year: 1998
Model: Ford Taurus SHO
Engine: 3.4L Yamaha V8
Posts: 14,703
Rep Power: 120
       
Trader Score: 0 reviews
The cables may well be suspect but a bad battery would produce those symptoms and as trouble shooting goes testing a battery is pretty simple

It's SHO time!


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jag1959 is offline  
post #9 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-08-2014, 02:04 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Chapter: West Coast
Posts: 56
Rep Power: 10
 
Trader Score: 0 reviews
Feel good in knowing you won't need to get another battery or starter for at least a few years, probably longer. I mean, I had to replace my battery about two months ago. The dead battery is a Motorcraft Max from 2005. I also had to replace the starter but the old starter is probably at least a few years old.
Drew is offline  
post #10 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-08-2014, 03:45 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Chapter: West Coast
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 0
 
Trader Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by jag1959 View Post
The cables may well be suspect but a bad battery would produce those symptoms and as trouble shooting goes testing a battery is pretty simple
But why would a bad battery prevent the car from starting from a jump? My friend has an Optima yellow top and his car was running and idling. It didn't even click or anything with jumpers connected.

Even in all my years, whenever I had a REALLY bad battery (like 2 bad cells and wouldn't hold a charge), the car would start when jumped.
Essenar is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Taurus Car Club of America : Ford Taurus Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in













Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hello - cooling system bypass hose issue jts3 Introduction Forum 3 07-04-2014 07:16 PM
Help with Starting issue and Command Start remusgrrrl Maintenance and Repair 3 03-11-2014 10:09 PM
03 Ford Taurus starting issue. ryan05 Maintenance and Repair 15 02-20-2014 08:37 PM
Intermittent starting broke(n) Maintenance and Repair 16 08-07-2013 09:14 PM
Lock-up Solenoid? Must diagnose and fix my AX4N! Trans issue, intermittent 95GL Maintenance and Repair 22 07-16-2013 10:39 PM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome