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Maybe structure ROBT like the SHO Convention?

Change the location every year? Road course or drag strip racing? Dinner? etc?

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That's been proposed and rejected, any NEW ideas???


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One thing you have to realize is that most people can't afford/have no interest in taking their Family sedan on a road course after spending money on gas and hotel. The majority of the club is younger, which plays a roll in it, and I think if we're ever going to get a "National" meet going, we need to start small.

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Excellent idea Mike. It's hard, even in a good economy, to pull off a successful national meet. When I was doing the ROTB's, we ended up doing Gingerman twice because that's where the demographics of the club dictated it had to be. Gingerman is cheap compared to other road courses, close to a lot of people that were willing to go, and there are a lot of other things to do in the general vicinity. It was farily easy to get a combination of TCCA and SHO people there, and make the event financially tangible.

I do, however, have another opinion (surprise, surprise! ).

I'm not sure what the final attendance numbers will be for the SHO Convention this year in NH, but I do know that Don Mallinson had mentioned to me a few years ago, when I still had the TCCA, that he was having a harder and harder time filling slots in the Conventions. Ownership of the SHO's was shifting from upper middle class professionals that had the money to travel to different parts of the country, to younger people who either didn't have the money or the time to go too far from home. He had mentioned to me, which seems like a great idea, the merging of the two events, ROTB and the SHO convention.

This makes sense on many levels. It would give a broader base of people that would potentially come to this event, making slots easier to fill, both from a financial standpoint, and geographical standpoint. It would take the dilemma of choosing an event away from people like me. I started my Taurus addiction here at the TCCA, and have some great friends here. I now have the SHO, and my involvement with NESHO has introduced me to many different events and more great friends. I now have the dilemma of too many events to pick from. I know I can't afford/don't have the time off to do them all. If it were one single national event between the TCCA and SHO club, this dilemma would be gone, and more people would be able to get together.

There are also many regional events, like the Carlisle All Ford show, that need a presence as well. Perhaps some chapters could look into these types of events in their areas and start making a showing at them. If you get enough people, they will make a class for you at the event. The more presence you get at events like this, the more members you will get. A lot of people don't even know there's a club for the Taurus and Sable.

I know a lot of the members here want to have their own, TCCA specific event, but if it's not working, why not join up with Don and make things happen?

On a last note, I think a combined event would be good for sharing ideas, repair hints, stuff like that. Almost ten years after I joined the TCCA, there is still a separation amongst the SHO and Taurus/Sable people. That always bugged me, because they are the same car. One is just a faster pile of poop. Really though, the more I get out to these events, the more I see that the separation exists because a lot of Taurus/Sable folk think the SHO folk have some sort of superior attitude because they drive an SHO. Not true, and if you guys get out to these events you'll see what I mean.


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I had already mentioned that, Bob... About 1 or 2 years back... I keep getting shot down so I finally stopped saying anything. I think its a lost cause to get an approval for anything anymore. But maybe its just me.

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QUOTE (Firespirit @ Jun 10 2009, 09:16 AM)
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I had already mentioned that, Bob... About 1 or 2 years back... I keep getting shot down so I finally stopped saying anything. I think its a lost cause to get an approval for anything anymore. But maybe its just me.[/b]

Well then, maybe it's time to revisit that topic. One thing that I learned early on when running this place, is that you can't please everyone. Some people won't like it, some people will, it's a matter of going with what is good for the club, and community of Taurus freaks that we are.

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I think a lot of the problem is the crappy economy we are in. If you aren't working, its hard to go to events that aren't in your backyard. A combined, affordable event would be best for everyone. I know when I was flat broke, I found it hard to go to Gingerman to come to ROTBs. I can certainly understand why shelling out $200 + expenses is hard.

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QUOTE (CometGSR @ Jun 10 2009, 11:05 AM)
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I think a lot of the problem is the crappy economy we are in. If you aren't working, its hard to go to events that aren't in your backyard. A combined, affordable event would be best for everyone. I know when I was flat broke, I found it hard to go to Gingerman to come to ROTBs. I can certainly understand why shelling out $200 + expenses is hard.

For these times, less glitz, more organization works best for people.[/b]
I dont get whats wrong with the SHOclub meet then? $80 for registration is all you have to pay. The only other thing that is over $20 (all optional of coruse) is the $230 for the road course. Do you need to do it? No. I didnt at ROTB last year and still had a blast. And if you cant afford a hotel for 5 days, try rooming with a friend or two, cuts the price by alot. How can it get any more affordable then that?

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Well, here's the thing: you are only including a few expenses.

You have to consider that you've got registration at $80, a hotel room that might cost you $30-40 a night if you split 4 ways, but you also have gas and food expenses as well. Depending on where you live, that adds up.

So for someone like me to drive up to the convention, I'd be spending $80 on registration, at least $200 on a hotel, at least $150 in food, and about another $200 in fuel costs.

That's at least $630 dollars for a 5 day event without any optional stuff like the car show, tshirts, road coarse, etc.

That's not affordable at all for a student like myself working and going to school. That's a hefty chunk of money that can be spent in many other needed ways.



I'm not trying to say that it's ridiculously expensive, but "affordable" differs widely depending on many factors


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QUOTE (soccernamlak @ Jun 11 2009, 11:47 AM)
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Well, here's the thing: you are only including a few expenses.

You have to consider that you've got registration at $80, a hotel room that might cost you $30-40 a night if you split 4 ways, but you also have gas and food expenses as well. Depending on where you live, that adds up.

So for someone like me to drive up to the convention, I'd be spending $80 on registration, at least $200 on a hotel, at least $150 in food, and about another $200 in fuel costs.

That's at least $630 dollars for a 5 day event without any optional stuff like the car show, tshirts, road coarse, etc.

That's not affordable at all for a student like myself working and going to school. That's a hefty chunk of money that can be spent in many other needed ways.



I'm not trying to say that it's ridiculously expensive, but "affordable" differs widely depending on many factors[/b]
Im only including the "few" expenses because everything else is a given, no matter where you go or what it is, your going to have to pay for a hotel room or campground. No matter where you go, your going to have to pay for food. And no matter where you go, you are paying for the gas to get there. Those expenses are a given, and they cant be raised or drop by the people hosting the event, you get what im saying? If you cant afford to take a 5 day trip then dont blame the people hosting the convention saying its not affordable when its the given things you cant afford. (note this is NOT a personal attack to anyone)

If making it affordable to you means having it close to you so you do not have to pay for a hotel room and gas and everything, then that will make it not affordable to someone else. Thats why they try to plan it in regions that will have the highest turnout, so it will be affordable to more people.

Point im trying to make is - If the location is the only thing making it unaffordable, dont say "oh thats way to expensive for me to go to that, what are they crazy?" beacuse that makes it look like its the host's are charging way too much when thats not whats going on. And no matter where it is hosted, there will always be someone who is unhappy.

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