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While I largely agree with what you say Rude .... the National SHO Convention has NEVER EVER been exclusive to SHO owners. Taurus G, GL, SE, SES, SEL, etc have always been invited.

Also history shows the convention always has a great turnout. RoTB while a great idea, is always canceled due to lack of participation. Why? because of the "We're the ONLY club in existence that caters to this car for the "entry" level driver, the sixteen yo kid that just got his first car, or just got grandma's old car, that just happened to be what most people coinsider some raggedy ol POS Ford, a Taurus"

These 16-20 year olds really most time can't afford to make these trips. With the exception of some of the long timers here, the clubs average age is 17-25. They therefore are largely focused more so on school than on Car Club events. And I nor anyone else, can fault them for that. When I was 19, if it was go to the track and run my Taurus around it with a bunch of Taurus guys or buy books for my classes, I am buying books.

See where I am going?
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I don't believe that the reason ROTB has not been as big a success as the SHO convention is because of this... "We're the ONLY club in existence that caters to this car for the "entry" level driver, the sixteen yo kid that just got his first car, or just got grandma's old car, that just happened to be what most people coinsider some raggedy ol POS Ford, a Taurus". I think it's because it's always the same venue, which has for the most part, been Gingerman Raceway. The convention as well as several other VERY successfull car club annual meets that I know of are ALWAYS somewhere different. I simply don't think it's because we drive Tauruses. The age demographic and the first priority being school, yes, I will agree 100%.

So if there was no track event, which would save attendees anywhere from $200-$300 dollars, do you think attendance would come up, possibly? I'm going to be a little selfish here with my comment. I was completely bummed with the lack of an 07 ROTB. You remember the one that was supposed to be in Atlanta, the one where we were supposed to tour the Ford plant, somewhere that I PERSONALLY have NEVER been. And yes, quite honestly since then, the "club" aspect of this site has never really been the same for me. I imagine that I'm not the only one that was totally bummed about that trip not happening either. I don't think we should have to rely on "the regular Taurus crowd has always been invited" another club to be able to have an event. We're a large enough organization where we should be able to put together something different, whether it be every year or every other year, which in my opinion, would make it something just that much more special. When I've planned the small meets here at my place it wasn't for me to have a good time, it was for the guys and gals coming to have a good time. It's when years later that people are still talking about the gig, that you know it was a bad ass time. Ask about the scooter races.

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I don't believe that the reason ROTB has not been as big a success as the SHO convention is because of this... "We're the ONLY club in existence that caters to this car for the "entry" level driver, the sixteen yo kid that just got his first car, or just got grandma's old car, that just happened to be what most people coinsider some raggedy ol POS Ford, a Taurus". I think it's because it's always the same venue, which has for the most part, been Gingerman Raceway. The convention as well as several other VERY successfull car club annual meets that I know of are ALWAYS somewhere different. I simply don't think it's because we drive Tauruses. The age demographic and the first priority being school, yes, I will agree 100%.

So if there was no track event, which would save attendees anywhere from $200-$300 dollars, do you think attendance would come up, possibly? I'm going to be a little selfish here with my comment. I was completely bummed with the lack of an 07 ROTB. You remember the one that was supposed to be in Atlanta, the one where we were supposed to tour the Ford plant, somewhere that I PERSONALLY have NEVER been. And yes, quite honestly since then, the "club" aspect of this site has never really been the same for me. I imagine that I'm not the only one that was totally bummed about that trip not happening either. I don't think we should have to rely on "the regular Taurus crowd has always been invited" another club to be able to have an event. We're a large enough organization where we should be able to put together something different, whether it be every year or every other year, which in my opinion, would make it something just that much more special. When I've planned the small meets here at my place it wasn't for me to have a good time, it was for the guys and gals coming to have a good time. It's when years later that people are still talking about the gig, that you know it was a bad ass time. Ask about the scooter races.[/b]
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Agree Rude, I am not saying it is due to the car, but the age of the majority here.

There has been talks of moving RoTB around, but nothing ever materializes so Gingerman is a fall back t seems.

I think Mike is on the right page with the MASSive Meet. Something like that could easily grow and host a RoTB.
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Honestly this is why I'm putting together this meet. (see northeast section) I was a little disappointed after driving out to Michigan last summer, granted I had a good time, but I think it could have been better, especially those of us who had traveled quite a ways. After offering my help in anyway I was never taken up on my offer to help plan, so I'm making my own. While the MASSive meet will not have a road course, it is something where people can finally put faces to cars and user names. And who doesn't want to drive go-karts?? I have spring break in two weeks, and while I'm not working I'm going to be putting my butt into gear getting prices, a registration form, and final itinerary.

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All of the input provided in this thread is valuable and appreciated.

Many of you have questions and comments as to why/how/where ROTBs have been planned.

First of all, ROTB has traditionally been about having a track event. I've organized many track days for our club including ROTBs and non-ROTB events. It has been discovered that the demographic of our club will not support a track day that costs more than Gingerman. They are among the most economical in the country and attempts at organizing events at other locations have failed. Additionally, we are heavily dependent on outside clubs and individuals to support our track days. This is something that many of you may not realize. If it weren't for the non-TCCA attendees, all of our previous track days would have been failures.

This being said, I have to be very careful how and where these events are planned and even more careful about costs. My proposed idea of a National SOTC (State of the Club) event will be a relatively low-cost venue and will be specifically designed to address these issues.

In the interest of a long-term commitment and ongoing sustainable national event a ROTB will be foregone this year in lieu of of the SHO Convention. The SHO being re-introduced is a major ordeal and should be celebrated throughout the Taurus community. We are "paying our respects" to this by foregoing ROTB.

Aside from giving the new SHO the attention it deserves, it is nearly ludicrous for us to expect that there will be enough interest and support for a ROTB this year given the abysmal economic situation our country is in. Such events are solely funded by discretionary income and that is an area where spending has been severely cut this year. I must remind everyone that our last track event was subsidized by residual funds from the club.

It makes more sense for us to reinvest in our club and spend time diligently planning for the future. This is more cost effective for all involved and will ensure long-term viability for our organization. A national SOTC and planning meeting is not something that has been done before. Given the current economic situation, status and changes of the Taurus product-line and many other changes going on right now we must evaluate our position and direction.

I hope this is something everybody can understand and appreciate. It is in our best long-term interests to take diligent actions now to plan for a better future.

Regarding the issues of webcasting and communicating with members that would not be present at the conference/SOTC meeting: a conference call is something we should be able to easily and cost-effectively organize in addition to a web-based chat/transcript. Video conferencing is not something I expect to be do-able for this event. But we will plan on having some method of communication with those that can't be physically present.

I hope this answers most of your questions for now. Please continue the discussion and ideas for this, they are much appreciated!

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Unfortunately if it isn't within 2 hours of me I won't be able to attend. I am a full time student and work 17 hours a week at my minimum wage job. I don't have the time or money to go on an out-of-state trip.

Plus a couple weeks ago, Dad said I'm not allowed to drive my car long distances (2+ hours) because he doesn't think it's "reliable enough"... and I doubt he'd let me take mom's car for an entire weekend.

But I think that all the ideas so far have been good ones, including the one where we bring the price down if there are X amount of members. IMHO, ROTB last year wasn't all that amazing. I'm sure it would have been better if I went to Gingerman, but the NAIAS trip was way more fun.

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If I can chime in with something here, just as someone who has been kicking around these parts for a while...

I personally have never had any interest in track events. Am I interested in high performance driving and doing laps? Hell yeah. But these cars could not be any worse for that purpose. Even with the Duratec and a slightly upgraded suspension, my car is slow and handles like a boat. Not to mention how likely you are to break something if you drive hard. I can't be the only one here who feels my car just isn't cut out for that.

What has always brought me out to meets is the meet itself. I want to meet all of the people here that I've been talking to over the past few years, see what they've done with their cars and show them what I've done with mine. It's about representin'. Every day people make fun of our cars and think we're crazy for liking them so much. But when I'm doing 80 down the interstate in a convoy of well maintained and modified Tauruses, well... everything is right with my little world.

This meet sounds like an excellent idea. I think that a lot of members here are more interested in the social aspect than the track, and this would keep the costs low and encourage more people to make the journey. People tend to like "official" stuff, so if we have a space rented out for the event, it seems more "official" and gives them a greater sense of pride in the club.

Now finally, I'd like to say something about the new Taurus, which I had the privilege of sitting in at the 2009 NAIAS. It's a fantastic car, but let's be honest here... the only thing this car shares with ours is a couple of badges (and maybe a paint colour for the SHO guys). I think it's a good idea to welcome these new owners, but much like the '01 and '02 Altima, I see no continuity here. It's so much bigger and more upscale than our cars, and the price certainly reflects that. Compared to other large sedans in its price range (Acura TL, Audi A4, etc) the '10 SHO seems like a performance bargain with the quality and fit and finish to compete with the better of the imports. Someone like me is more likely to find their way into a Fusion than the new Taurus. It's Ford's new bread and butter vehicle for the average Joe. It's more "Taurus" than the Taurus. But I don't think we need to attract membership from this market to survive. The Tauruses we drive are everywhere and they're going to be on the road for a long time.

I feel like I need a conclusion here because I've been writing papers non-stop for the past couple months, hence me not being here to often, so here goes. Long live TCCA!

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QUOTE (Twilight @ Mar 5 2009, 06:12 PM)
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I personally have never had any interest in track events. Am I interested in high performance driving and doing laps? Hell yeah. But these cars could not be any worse for that purpose.[/b]

You could not be more wrong.
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QUOTE (RPFlloyd @ Mar 5 2009, 08:03 PM)
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QUOTE (Twilight @ Mar 5 2009, 06:12 PM)
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I personally have never had any interest in track events. Am I interested in high performance driving and doing laps? Hell yeah. But these cars could not be any worse for that purpose.[/b]

You could not be more wrong.
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SHO maybe. But a Vulcan/'tec Taurus.....I agree that these cars aren't designed for being on the track and will not compete with other cars designed for said track.



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