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Electrical Problem, Need Help Asap! |
 Mar 9 2006, 12:48 AM
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RIP my sweet dalmatian (11-06-05)  Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 8,450 Joined: 13-August 03 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 2,192  Chapter: Midwest Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan)   |
'97 Taurus Vulcan 123K miles:
Experiencing loss of: power steering assist, all window controls (none are lit up), rear window defrost controls, half of the MFS controls (only Hi, Lo, and turn signals work), and radio only when car is in R, (D), D, and 1. Everything functions fine when put into P or N. I was told that there might be a TSB on this problem, but I was not able to find anything on it. It was also mentioned to me that it might have something to do with the wiring getting chaffed on something within the steering column. Any help would be appreciated! I need to get LRB back to her old self ASAP. She's my daily driver and the "reliable" one.  
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Mar 9 2006, 02:37 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 10-June 05 Member No.: 6,354 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1996 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
You need to adjust or replace and adjust the TRS (transmission range sensor). It's a black plastic box with a wiring harness connector plugged into it, that sits on the top of the transmission, and has the transmission shift cable connected on top of it.
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Mar 9 2006, 04:24 AM
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Josh Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 310 Joined: 11-May 05 From: Sydney, NSW, Australia. Member No.: 6,179 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1996 Engine: 3.0 DOHC (Duratec) |
Thats a nasty fault. Hope you work it out.
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Mar 9 2006, 08:47 AM
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RIP my sweet dalmatian (11-06-05) Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 8,450 Joined: 13-August 03 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 2,192 Chapter: Midwest Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
How would I go about "adjusting" it? And I'm not sure why it would be acting up now if I had the transmission replaced 11K miles ago? |
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Mar 9 2006, 11:52 AM
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SVT BOY Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 1,263 Joined: 18-April 03 From: California Member No.: 1,507 Chapter: West Coast Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1999 Engine: 3.5 (Duratec) |
Why would you suggest that? Her problem doesn't sound anything related to the transmission. It sounds like a grounding problem or a charging problem. Make sure the black wire from the battery to the frame isn't loose or covered with corrossion (can't spell it). I replaced my negative battery ground and it improved the power. Also take it to have the charging system checked. Also check to make sure the battery connectors are on tight (including the rear wire connectors are tight). One time the red wire came loose and I couldn't tell until it came completely off while I was driving. |
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Mar 9 2006, 01:58 PM
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RIP my sweet dalmatian (11-06-05) Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 8,450 Joined: 13-August 03 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 2,192 Chapter: Midwest Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
Update: I'm on my lunch break now, and when I started my car and left work, everything was working fine until I got down the road about a mile when the radio stopped working (still lights up though), but the PS was working and so were the windows, rear defrost, and MFS. I drove down to the Ford dealer and asked to speak with a tech that had experience with the Taurus. This tech suggested that it sounds exactly like an MLP sensor going bad. He said the MLP is the same thing as the TRS.
Eric over at SHOCago suggested that it might be bad engine grounds. Wtf is going on?! Ah! 
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Mar 9 2006, 02:09 PM
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SVT BOY Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 1,263 Joined: 18-April 03 From: California Member No.: 1,507 Chapter: West Coast Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1999 Engine: 3.5 (Duratec) |
I take it that you already checked the battery connections.
Interesting. I'm wondering when they re-installed your transmission that they damaged a clip to the TRS plug and it's coming loose. It doesn't make any sense that it would cause a complete electrical failure or/and or cause surges to other electrical componets? I'd take it back to the transmission shop and have them look at the connection, because it's not someone you can just look at and see for yourself. They can use a flex telescope and view it without pulling down the transmission. |
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Mar 9 2006, 02:13 PM
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RIP my sweet dalmatian (11-06-05) Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 8,450 Joined: 13-August 03 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 2,192 Chapter: Midwest Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
When it started happening (which was on the highway on my way to Chicago), I was instantly running a list through my head of what to check for. The battery grounds are good (although the positive cable needs to be cleaned and has for a little while now), they are still functioning like they should. The underhood relays are fine and so are the under dash relays. Which is why I'm not understanding what's going on! At least the transmission is still under warranty and will be for a while. I'll probably go to the shop tomorrow, seeing as I get off of work tonight at 8pm and the shop closes at 6pm. I also might have one of the techs at work help me look. |
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Mar 9 2006, 03:50 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 27-February 06 From: Hilliard, OH Member No.: 8,233 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
I'm a new poster, but I've lurked for awhile since my girlfriend's car is a '97 Taurus with the 3.0 Vulcan and automatic. Column shifter. Variable power assist. 118K miles.
Firespirit, your problem is very likely the transmission range sensor, or also called the neutral safety switch. I just replaced that part on my g/f's Taurus. Here were the symptoms that she had: - Radio worked in P and O/D, but not R - Radio randomly just went silent (LED display OK, dead silence from speakers) when in O/D and D As time passed, the radio outages became more frequent. - Random loss of power steering (sometime with a flashing seat belt warning light also) These were rare, but getting more frequent as well. This symptom is what prompted me to start looking for answers, radio is annoying, power steering is dangerous. - Eventually tranny refused to go into O/D, even on the highway at highway speeds. I searched here, and googled it. There is a TSB concerning the power steering issue related to the transmission range sensor. A few other 96 and 97 year Taurus owners had similar problems, including the loss of some power accessories. I picked up an 8 pin (there is also an 11 pin version, but you can tell which your car has by looking at the sensor under the hood) neutral safety switch at Advance Auto for $26 including tax. Replacement took less than 30 minutes. That was over a week ago, and NO symptoms have returned. Ford calls it the TR sensor, everyone else lists it as neutral safety switch. I can tell you more about how to replace it if you want to do the work yourself. Good luck. This post has been edited by Linkman: Mar 9 2006, 03:54 PM |
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Mar 9 2006, 05:31 PM
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Hello. My Name Is TANK.  Group: Moderator Posts: 2,816 Joined: 11-July 04 From: Newton, MA Member No.: 4,175 Chapter: Northeast Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1998 Engine: 3.0 DOHC (Duratec) 
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I thought I had remembered reading something here like that. Especially when gohim first mentioned it. It sounded very familar, mainly because it's such a random thing to cause all those problems. 
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Mar 9 2006, 09:41 PM
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RIP my sweet dalmatian (11-06-05) Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 8,450 Joined: 13-August 03 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 2,192 Chapter: Midwest Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
Thank God for work, huh? I found the TSB through my work's database and it tells me all I need to know. It is, in fact, a symptom of the TR sensor.
Thank you guys for all your help, as soon as I can get a new TR sensor ($69.95 according to alldata through Ford) I will update you guys on replacing it.  You guys are great! 
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Mar 10 2006, 04:29 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 389 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Lawrenceville, GA Member No.: 3,849 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1995 Engine: 3.8 OHV (Essex)
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Why not save $50 or so and get one from Advance like Linkman suggests?
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Mar 10 2006, 06:58 PM
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RIP my sweet dalmatian (11-06-05) Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 8,450 Joined: 13-August 03 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 2,192 Chapter: Midwest Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
Because I can get it discounted through work. All my parts manager has to do is order it from the Ford dealer and we get 25% off. I already have the part now, and will be installing it this weekend (possibly Sunday).
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Mar 11 2006, 08:54 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 389 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Lawrenceville, GA Member No.: 3,849 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1995 Engine: 3.8 OHV (Essex)
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Your loyalty scares me.
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Mar 11 2006, 09:08 AM
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RIP my sweet dalmatian (11-06-05) Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 8,450 Joined: 13-August 03 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 2,192 Chapter: Midwest Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
My loyalty?? |
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Mar 11 2006, 09:51 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 389 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Lawrenceville, GA Member No.: 3,849 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1995 Engine: 3.8 OHV (Essex)
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To Ford. Unless my math is wrong, you're paying twice as much for the same part, even with 25% off. I just don't get it.
Did I miss something? Is yours the 12 pin version? This post has been edited by Jeckler: Mar 11 2006, 09:53 AM |
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Mar 11 2006, 11:46 AM
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SVT BOY Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 1,263 Joined: 18-April 03 From: California Member No.: 1,507 Chapter: West Coast Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1999 Engine: 3.5 (Duratec) |
He means loyalty to your car. In your repair illustration, why you need to remove the air cleaner tube? Where the heck is the TRS Sensor. I remember in the manual that it discribed the location, but I couldn't ever find it. I wasn't in need of replacing it, so I gave up. Since I'm going to be doing a transmission rebuild, I need to disconnect it. Michael |
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Mar 11 2006, 06:37 PM
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RIP my sweet dalmatian (11-06-05) Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 8,450 Joined: 13-August 03 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 2,192 Chapter: Midwest Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
Since I'm going to do it right now (it's on top of the trans case, btw), I'm doing a tutorial in case anyone else needs to do it. 
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Sep 8 2008, 06:23 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 146 Joined: 29-August 07 Member No.: 14,668 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
Hey everyone-I was wondering if someone can help me. I just replaced my trs in my 97 gl and I accidently moved it when i installed so it was misaligned I aligned it to the line when i put in on and the reverse lights werent going on when I was in reverse. They i moved the line on the circular dial a little above the line but the reverse lights will only go on if i go from park to reverse or if i go from drive to reverse i have to move the shifter past the reverse mark and then on the reverse mark so they go on. How do I align it correctly if I never marked where the line was when I got it out of the box? Thanks.
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Sep 9 2008, 11:44 PM
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RIP my sweet dalmatian (11-06-05) Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 8,450 Joined: 13-August 03 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 2,192 Chapter: Midwest Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
I am going to guess that it'll be trial and error now that you did not mark the old position.
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Sep 10 2008, 02:20 AM
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SCT tuner Group: Technical Advisor Posts: 14,641 Joined: 3-November 02 From: Ashkum, Illinois Member No.: 204 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.4 Yamaha V8 |
Shift Control Linkage
The transmission shift linkage adjustments must be performed in the order in which they appear. Column Shift Place transaxle range selector lever in (D) (OVERDRIVE) position or D (DRIVE) position on vehicles equipped with a transmission control switch (TCS). A weight of 1.4 kg (3 lb) should be hung on the transaxle range selector lever to ensure the lever is located firmly on the (D) (OVERDRIVE) or D (DRIVE) position on vehicles equipped with a transmission control switch (TCS) detent. Loosen manual control lever-to-control cable retaining nut. Move transaxle manual control lever to OVERDRIVE position or D (DRIVE) position on vehicles equipped with a transmission control switch (TCS), second detent from most rearward position. Tighten retaining nut to 17-23 Nm (13-17 lb-ft). Check operation of transaxle in each transmission range position. Make sure that park mechanism and transmission range (TR) sensor are functioning properly. Floor Shift Position transaxle range selector lever in DRIVE position against rearward stop. The floor transaxle range selector lever must be held in the rearward position using a constant force of 1.4 kg (3 lb) while linkage is being adjusted. Loosen manual control lever-to-control cable retaining nut. Move transaxle manual control lever to DRIVE position, second detent from most rearward position. Tighten retaining nut to 17-23 Nm (13-17 lb-ft). Check operation of transaxle in each transmission range position. Make sure that park mechanism and transmission range (TR) sensor are functioning properly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Sep 16 2008, 04:11 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 146 Joined: 29-August 07 Member No.: 14,668 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
QUOTE(SHOZ123 @ Sep 10 2008, 03:28 AM) [snapback]660456[/snapback] Shift Control Linkage The transmission shift linkage adjustments must be performed in the order in which they appear. Column Shift Place transaxle range selector lever in (D) (OVERDRIVE) position or D (DRIVE) position on vehicles equipped with a transmission control switch (TCS). A weight of 1.4 kg (3 lb) should be hung on the transaxle range selector lever to ensure the lever is located firmly on the (D) (OVERDRIVE) or D (DRIVE) position on vehicles equipped with a transmission control switch (TCS) detent. Loosen manual control lever-to-control cable retaining nut. Move transaxle manual control lever to OVERDRIVE position or D (DRIVE) position on vehicles equipped with a transmission control switch (TCS), second detent from most rearward position. Tighten retaining nut to 17-23 Nm (13-17 lb-ft). Check operation of transaxle in each transmission range position. Make sure that park mechanism and transmission range (TR) sensor are functioning properly. Floor Shift Position transaxle range selector lever in DRIVE position against rearward stop. The floor transaxle range selector lever must be held in the rearward position using a constant force of 1.4 kg (3 lb) while linkage is being adjusted. Loosen manual control lever-to-control cable retaining nut. Move transaxle manual control lever to DRIVE position, second detent from most rearward position. Tighten retaining nut to 17-23 Nm (13-17 lb-ft). Check operation of transaxle in each transmission range position. Make sure that park mechanism and transmission range (TR) sensor are functioning properly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And is this suppose to help me align it? |
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Sep 17 2008, 01:58 AM
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SCT tuner Group: Technical Advisor Posts: 14,641 Joined: 3-November 02 From: Ashkum, Illinois Member No.: 204 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.4 Yamaha V8 |
No it will not HELP you align it. It WILL align it.
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Sep 17 2008, 03:15 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 146 Joined: 29-August 07 Member No.: 14,668 Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
Ok thanks. The only step i am not quite understanding is
"Move transaxle manual control lever to OVERDRIVE position or D (DRIVE) position on vehicles equipped with a transmission control switch (TCS), second detent from most rearward position." What are you pretty much doing for this step? Sorry. Thanks again |
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Sep 17 2008, 03:19 PM
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RIP my sweet dalmatian (11-06-05) Group: Premium Supporter Posts: 8,450 Joined: 13-August 03 From: Michigan City, IN Member No.: 2,192 Chapter: Midwest Car: Ford Taurus Year: 1997 Engine: 3.0 OHV (Vulcan) |
Put the gear shift into overdrive
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