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post #1 of 56 (permalink) Old 10-31-2016, 08:26 PM Thread Starter
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Getting Cranky in the Morning

...The Sable, not me! It seems that cold starts are beginning to run rough when the idle first drops below 1000 RPM. Definitely a misfire. Once you start driving it, or get the RPMs above 1000, it runs fine. I still need to hook up the OBDII scanner. I haven't pulled the IAC off to check it out yet either.

Some more chores for the weekend, I guess.

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I'm cranky in the morning.....
I am cranky all the time but somewhat less since getting my garage open to use after ~14 years of storing junk. Just in time: struts, sway arm links, and tension strut arm donuts replaced. Trial run tomorrow. One spring broke, other very rusty and ready to break. Ride height = 27 3/4" now. Ready for winter.

Lincoln going inside before the next frost.

Garage stuff, still need couple of trips to Salvation Army thrift store to give away baby and small kid stuff.

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Had the OBDII scanner on this morning. Total misfire count was increasing, but no specific cylinders were indicated as misfiring. No codes either. So, it's playing "hard to get". I guess I should pull the IAC and take a look at it.

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Minor vacuum leak? Lazy PCV or hose?

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I'm cranky in the morning.....
I used to wake up Cranky in the morning but now I just let her sleep in.
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Pulled the IAC off last night. A little dirty, but not gunked up by any means. A few years ago when I replaced the ignition coils, I replaced all 3 on the rear bank and one on the front (only bought 4). So, there is an OEM Motorcraft coil and a noname coil in the front. I have a couple of spares. Maybe I'll swap out the two older ones and see if anything changes.

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Minor vacuum leak? Lazy PCV or hose?
Can't say on the vacuum leak. It only does it after starting up and the idle speed first drops down below 1K RPMs. The rest of the time it idles without any problems. It's almost like the idle speed is dropping too soon.

The PVC and hose were replaced a couple of years ago.

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There are many days when I wake up cranky - but most of the time I just let her sleep.

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My '00 Tec wagon was rough on a cold start idle, got to the point of hardly running until it warmed up , idle fine after warm up to operating temp. .
Intake gaskets were the problem, once plastic heated up and expanded it sealed the leaks and ran fine. No matter what I sprayed around them could I pick up those leaks. It made me crazy after checking everything else multiple times.

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LIM gaskets or potentially the upper manifold plenum gasket.


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