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Old 04-02-2007, 12:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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OK, I've decided to go ahead with converting my '92 Taraus Wagon into All-Wheel-Drive, but now the plan is to make it a hybrid, like my other Nimble Motorsports Hybrid project car.
I'm going to replace the rear suspension with the suspension from the front of the car, and then add an electric motor and IRS differential from a T-bird to drive the rear wheels. I will leave the gas motor in the front.

I want to put in a much smaller gas engine in the front to maximize fuel efficiency and reduce weight.
It needs to be an overdrive manual transaxle. I was thinking of swapping in the 5-speed from a SHO, but what I don't know is if I can use that transaxle with a small 4-cylinder engine? I was thinking something from an Escort would be pretty small, don't they have 2.0L motors? Is there anything smaller? Maybe with a turbo? Because the motor will mainly be used for 70mph highway cruising.

So my main question is what other motors can mate to the SHO transazle?

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Old 04-02-2007, 02:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like a very neat project.

For the gas engine and transaxle, you might consider the Focus 2.3L Duratec 4cyl with the MTX-75 transaxle, or the Contour 2.0L Zetec with the MTX-75. Another possibility would be the SVT Focus engine with the 6spd Getrag. Turbo kits are available or would not be too difficult to fabricate, especially in the Taurus engine bay (more room).

Another thing I just thought of... the MTX-75 AWD transaxle from the Jaguar X-Type. The MTX-75 is virtually the same with an external transfer case bolted to the side. I've actually seen these on eBay recently, brand new, for about $500.

I would use the MTX-75 over the MTX-IV. They are more plentiful and can be upgraded to be nearly bullit proof. Terry Haines at FordContour.org specializes in prepping these for 500+ hp. You can install Quaife gearsets, and/or Quaife or Torsen ATB's.
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IMO for the cost you'd be better off getting a mazdaspeed 6 and trying to just convert that to a hybrid. It already has the 4 banger turbo with AWD and a manual transmission. That same 2.3L duratec also has been converted to a hybrid ni the Escape hybrid.
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This is going to cost you a truck-load of money. Seriously, it sounds cool, but in reality, there is no way you'll be able to pull this off, even with sufficient funds. Do you have any idea how much programming is in a hybrid? Are you a very competent electrical/computer engineer? If not, this is just a stupid discussion. I hate to torpedo your idea, because it is cool, and very original, but come on.

How do you even expect to transfer PTO from the battery to engine and back? Are you aware that there is no starter capable of doing what a hybrid's starter does, that's made for the Taurus?

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Are you doing this as a class project or something? This is going to be an unbelieveable ammount of work and money. The theory sounds cool, but the resources required are astronomical.
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Are you doing this as a class project or something? This is going to be an unbelieveable ammount of work and money. The theory sounds cool, but the resources required are astronomical.
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It will be a lot of work, but not too much money, A AWD Volvo XC wagon or Dodge Magnum is $30,000 new, I expect to build this car for about $10-15,000.

And I am building a '92 Taurus Wagon because I think they look the best.

But my question remains, can the SHO transaxle be used with a 1.6L escort motor?
I did some research on the 4-cylinders, and it looks like in Europe they have turbo 1.6L's in the escorts.
I think I may just go with a 1.9L escort motor, I can buy one for $200 right now with 85K miles.
I can buy a SHO for $1,200 to get its trans. I can buy another tarus for the front suspension for $200,
and a t-bird rearend is $250.

I've built many modified cars, including two complete drivetrain/suspension swaps, and already have a hybrid Aspire I built.

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When hybrid technology becomes available as COTS, I'll believe you built a hybrid Aspire.

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Are you doing this as a class project or something? This is going to be an unbelieveable ammount of work and money. The theory sounds cool, but the resources required are astronomical.
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It will be a lot of work, but not too much money, A AWD Volvo XC wagon or Dodge Magnum is $30,000 new, I expect to build this car for about $10-15,000.

And I am building a '92 Taurus Wagon because I think they look the best.

But my question remains, can the SHO transaxle be used with a 1.6L escort motor?
I did some research on the 4-cylinders, and it looks like in Europe they have turbo 1.6L's in the escorts.
I think I may just go with a 1.9L escort motor, I can buy one for $200 right now with 85K miles.
I can buy a SHO for $1,200 to get its trans. I can buy another tarus for the front suspension for $200,
and a t-bird rearend is $250.

I've built many modified cars, including two complete drivetrain/suspension swaps, and already have a hybrid Aspire I built.

Jack
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The SHO transaxle will bolt to the following engine and require no fabrication thereafter:
- 3.0L SHO V6
- 3.2L SHO V6
- 3.0L Vulcan V6

The SHO transaxle will bolt to the following engine and require some fabrication (as outlined):
- 3.8L Essex V6 (a flywheel will need to be fabricated)

In all cases, the SHO MTX subframe will need to be used to maintain correct axle geometry, and in the case of the non 3.0L SHO V6 engines, a front and rear mount will either have to be adapted to the other engines from the 3.0L SHO V6 (easy for the 3.2L SHO V6, not sure on the non-SHO engines), or fabricated outright.

The SHO transaxle will not easily work with any other known engine.

And if you're really gung ho about this project, I know where you can get a lo-mileage SHO drivetrain (and the car that's wrapped around it) for about $600.

And on the hybrid Aspire, pics or it didn't happen.
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OK, so the SHO transaxle won't help me with a 4-cyl engine, so it looks like I'll have to use the transaxle that comes with the 4-cyl, and make custom mounts for that setup. Probably weighs less anyway.
http://nimblemotorsports.com/motorchain.jpg is an old picture of the aspire in progress.
The aspire's have a 1.3L engine, maybe I should use one of those, it is quite gutless even in a 2000lb car, but maybe add a turbo to it.

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