Will the SHO ever have a manual gear box again? - Page 2 - Taurus Car Club of America : Ford Taurus Forum

EcoBrick Bob · 12-01-2011, 03:23 PM

Wait till I get my front Nitto 05R slicks on the front!

gregoire · 12-02-2011, 08:30 PM

For me, the novelty of having 4 on the floor would go away the second I went up against the same car in "D" and watching him/her drive away from me which would happen every time with these cars.

No way you could out shift the "brains" on the new SHO's.

I do understand those that yearn nostagicaly back to the manualy shifting cars and going fast days.

KingJeronidas · 11-10-2012, 08:19 PM

The only reason I really use the paddle shifters in my Limited is to pass on the highway. I find it annoyingly difficult to get it out of 6th sometimes. By the time it finally comes out of 6th, the system kinda goes "oh ****, he really wants to move" and then downshifts to 4th. I use it to change one gear instead of allowing the auto to mess it up. I do miss an manual tranny, though. 60% of my vehicles have been 5 speeds.

behlinla · 11-10-2012, 10:02 PM

My guess is that part of it has to do with the fact that most manual transmissions made for transverse applications (FWD and AWD) can't handle the 350+ lb·ft torque output of the EcoBoost V6. All the cars I can think of that have that kind of power and have manual transmissions have a longitudinal drivetrain.

So for the foreseeable future, if you want great performance and a stick, you're going to have to find it in a smaller car or a car with longitudinal drivetrain. Remember Ford is now selling the Focus ST, which should be a riot with 270 lb·ft and only 3200 lbs.

Roach · 11-11-2012, 10:42 AM

Tell me if I'm wrong, but don't cars like the Subaru Impreza and the Lancer Evolution have a transverse layout [Even as all wheel drive] but they still come in manuals, and you see a select few of those pushing 400+HP tuned. I don't know if those are tranny eating monsters though lol.

behlinla · 11-11-2012, 08:53 PM

Subaru's are always longitudinal, the Lancer is transverse, so it would be the only car that would be comparable.

mjhpadi · 11-11-2012, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by behlinla

My guess is that part of it has to do with the fact that most manual transmissions made for transverse applications (FWD and AWD) can't handle the 350+ lb·ft torque output of the EcoBoost V6. All the cars I can think of that have that kind of power and have manual transmissions have a longitudinal drivetrain.

So for the foreseeable future, if you want great performance and a stick, you're going to have to find it in a smaller car or a car with longitudinal drivetrain. Remember Ford is now selling the Focus ST, which should be a riot with 270 lb·ft and only 3200 lbs.

You're hitting the nail on the head. One of the guys over at Ecoboost Owners just got a manual Focus ST and he is having a blast with it. And it looks like a really fun little performance package!

loudsho92 · 11-12-2012, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by behlinla

My guess is that part of it has to do with the fact that most manual transmissions made for transverse applications (FWD and AWD) can't handle the 350+ lb·ft torque output of the EcoBoost V6. All the cars I can think of that have that kind of power and have manual transmissions have a longitudinal drivetrain.

So for the foreseeable future, if you want great performance and a stick, you're going to have to find it in a smaller car or a car with longitudinal drivetrain. Remember Ford is now selling the Focus ST, which should be a riot with 270 lb·ft and only 3200 lbs.

It all comes down to demand, engineering and cost.

Any transmission can be built to handle the load. SHONut made a gear set for the V6 SHO to handle 500ftlb so there is no reason why Ford can not do it.

Why it comes down to demand is if enough people want it and right now Ford does not see the demand.

Cost is the other factor to design and build it. If it cost Ford may not do it.

Roach · 11-12-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by loudsho92

It all comes down to demand, engineering and cost.

Any transmission can be built to handle the load. SHONut made a gear set for the V6 SHO to handle 500ftlb so there is no reason why Ford can not do it.

Why it comes down to demand is if enough people want it and right now Ford does not see the demand.

Cost is the other factor to design and build it. If it cost Ford may not do it.

Wasn't SHOnut's "all famous" SHO somewhere in the 600hp range? [Could be mistaken]

loudsho92 · 11-13-2012, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Roach

Wasn't SHOnut's "all famous" SHO somewhere in the 600hp range? [Could be mistaken]

It was up there but I do not know the exact number.

12-01-2011, 03:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
EcoBrick Bob Junior Member Member Number: 44035 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Naples, FL & Clear Lake, IA Chapter: Midwest Drives: 2010 EcoBoost Ford Flex Limited Many mods! Visit: My Garage Posts: 37 Trader Score: 0 reviews Rep Power: 0	Wait till I get my front Nitto 05R slicks on the front! __________________ 2010 Red Candy/White EB Flex - WORLD'S FIRST 12 SECOND FLEX 12.901@106.85 MPH TORRIE TUNED 2009 Spt Red G8 GT - Headers, Cam, Wide-band TORRIE TUNED 12.501 et @ 114.+mph 2008 White G8 GT - Tune, Headers, CAI - 8.32ET 1/8 mi@85.66 MPH 93 SHO - Red Auto, 91 SHO - Black, 90 SHO - White, 89 SHO - Black - ALL sold

12-02-2011, 08:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
gregoire Junior Member Member Number: 44085 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Nashville, TN Chapter: Southeast Drives: 2011 Taurus SHO Visit: My Garage Posts: 17 Trader Score: 0 reviews Rep Power: 0	For me, the novelty of having 4 on the floor would go away the second I went up against the same car in "D" and watching him/her drive away from me which would happen every time with these cars. No way you could out shift the "brains" on the new SHO's. I do understand those that yearn nostagicaly back to the manualy shifting cars and going fast days. __________________ 2011 Taurus SHO, Livernois MotorSports tuned. 12.793 second 1/4 mile @ 107.32 MPH.

11-11-2012, 10:42 AM	#15 (permalink)
Roach Graphic Designer Member Number: 32683 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Concord, NC Chapter: Southeast Drives: 2000 Model SE, Vulcan V6 Visit: My Garage Posts: 996 Trader Score: 0 reviews Rep Power: 3	Tell me if I'm wrong, but don't cars like the Subaru Impreza and the Lancer Evolution have a transverse layout [Even as all wheel drive] but they still come in manuals, and you see a select few of those pushing 400+HP tuned. I don't know if those are tranny eating monsters though lol. __________________ Facebook \| Desktops "I'm sure there must have been a time You did not consume my mind But I still swear I don't remember" 2000 Taurus SE "Lady Hearse" 1995 Taurus SHO "Organ Donor" 1996 Thunderbird LX "Jade Phoenix"

11-10-2012, 08:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
KingJeronidas Junior Member Member Number: 44917 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Killdeer ND Chapter: Midwest Drives: 2010 Taurus Limited, 300A, White Visit: My Garage Posts: 39 Trader Score: 0 reviews Rep Power: 0	The only reason I really use the paddle shifters in my Limited is to pass on the highway. I find it annoyingly difficult to get it out of 6th sometimes. By the time it finally comes out of 6th, the system kinda goes "oh ****, he really wants to move" and then downshifts to 4th. I use it to change one gear instead of allowing the auto to mess it up. I do miss an manual tranny, though. 60% of my vehicles have been 5 speeds.

11-10-2012, 10:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
behlinla Technical Advisor Member Number: 14275 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wisconsin Chapter: Midwest Drives: 2006 Taurus SEL Visit: My Garage Posts: 5,990 Trader Score: 0 reviews Rep Power: 10	My guess is that part of it has to do with the fact that most manual transmissions made for transverse applications (FWD and AWD) can't handle the 350+ lb·ft torque output of the EcoBoost V6. All the cars I can think of that have that kind of power and have manual transmissions have a longitudinal drivetrain. So for the foreseeable future, if you want great performance and a stick, you're going to have to find it in a smaller car or a car with longitudinal drivetrain. Remember Ford is now selling the Focus ST, which should be a riot with 270 lb·ft and only 3200 lbs.

11-11-2012, 08:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
behlinla Technical Advisor Member Number: 14275 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wisconsin Chapter: Midwest Drives: 2006 Taurus SEL Visit: My Garage Posts: 5,990 Trader Score: 0 reviews Rep Power: 10	Subaru's are always longitudinal, the Lancer is transverse, so it would be the only car that would be comparable.

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